7 May
2013
7 May
'13
7:14 a.m.
Hi Guys,
I used to mess about with RSTS/E when I was a kid, and even managed to
get into trouble with ASU and the folks that worked at the remote
sites... banned, basically.
(I went on to work there years later after the PDP11s had been scrapped...)
Anyhow, I've been running one I built from tape with simh for ages...
it's accessible on line via my bbs (telnet bbs.cortex-media.info)
I've got an old, incomplete version of dungeon on there. I've found a
more complete version in Fortran. What is the best way to get the
files onto the emulated disk so I can build it?
Would it be better to install decnet or use kermit or what?
thanks,
John
--
Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
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"Gregor Samsa awoke one morning to discover that he had been
transformed into a giant cockroach." Nah, it's too good.
--Max Bialystock
7 May
7 May
8:26 a.m.
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I've got an old, incomplete version of dungeon on there. I've found a
more complete version in Fortran. What is the best way to get the
files onto the emulated disk so I can build it?
IIRC,there is a utility called flx out there that will do the job...
Would it be better to install decnet or use kermit or what?
thanks,
John
--
Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
--------
"Gregor Samsa awoke one morning to discover that he had been
transformed into a giant cockroach." Nah, it's too good.
--Max Bialystock
12:41 p.m.
Linux has a set of decnet tools that work perfectly for this kind of thing, if you have
ethernet (libdnet and dnet-progs for debian type distributions). You can also use serial
within simh and bring up a DDCMP connection from another host with some software both on
windows and linux, and then copy between the systems that way, but its quite alot of
trouble. If you don't have ethernet, its probably the easiest means.
Kevin
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:14:28 +0100
Subject: RSTS/E and simh
From: john at yoyodyne-propulsion.net
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org; larryniven-l at larryniven-l.org
Hi Guys,
I used to mess about with RSTS/E when I was a kid, and even managed to
get into trouble with ASU and the folks that worked at the remote
sites... banned, basically.
(I went on to work there years later after the PDP11s had been scrapped...)
Anyhow, I've been running one I built from tape with simh for ages...
it's accessible on line via my bbs (telnet bbs.cortex-media.info)
I've got an old, incomplete version of dungeon on there. I've found a
more complete version in Fortran. What is the best way to get the
files onto the emulated disk so I can build it?
Would it be better to install decnet or use kermit or what?
thanks,
John
--
Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
--------
"Gregor Samsa awoke one morning to discover that he had been
transformed into a giant cockroach." Nah, it's too good.
--Max Bialystock
2:16 p.m.
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 12:14:28PM +0100, John Many Jars wrote:
I've got an old, incomplete version of dungeon on
there. I've found a
more complete version in Fortran. What is the best way to get the
files onto the emulated disk so I can build it?
If you're willing to take a brief foray into DOS (or DOSEMU or a 32-bit
Windows machine) to do the transfer, my PUTR.COM utility can do it:
http://www.dbit.com/putr/
Paul Koning's "flx" can do it too, and it's *not* DOS-only, but I
don't
know the URL for the latest version.
I've got a FUSE filesystem for RSTS in the works (along with 1,000 other
things) but so far it's read-only. (The "big plan" is to rewrite PUTR.COM
in portable C and make its guts superficially FUSE-like so that I can write
FS drivers that work either stand-alone or as part of PUTR -- but that's a
long-range plan.)
John Wilson
D Bit
6:15 p.m.
On 7 May 2013 19:16, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 12:14:28PM +0100, John Many
Jars wrote:
Hi John,
Dos doesn't scare me, and your utility works perfectly. In fact, i
think it was the one I used years ago when i set this thing up!
Thanks.
Now, if I could only get it to work. The source I found, on the simh
website, says it is for:
Dungeon is a maze-solving game for solitaire play. V3.2 runs on any
OpenVMS VAX, OpenVMS AXP, OSF/1 AXP, or RISC ULTRIX system
Do you guys know where there is a version for RSTS, or am I just not
doing something right.
I haven't tried to compile or link anything on a RSTS system in about
30 years -- and I was never into Fortran.
--
Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
--------
"Gregor Samsa awoke one morning to discover that he had been
transformed into a giant cockroach." Nah, it's too good.
--Max Bialystock
I've got an old, incomplete version of dungeon
on there. I've found a
more complete version in Fortran. What is the best way to get the
files onto the emulated disk so I can build it?
If you're willing to take a brief foray into DOS (or DOSEMU or a 32-bit
Windows machine) to do the transfer, my PUTR.COM utility can do it:
2:32 p.m.
On May 7, 2013, at 7:14 AM, John Many Jars <john at yoyodyne-propulsion.net> wrote:
I've got an old, incomplete version of dungeon on
there. I've found a
more complete version in Fortran. What is the best way to get the
files onto the emulated disk so I can build it?
Would it be better to install decnet or use kermit or what?
Isn't simh's paper tape reader just a binary file reader? I seem
to recall that being the answer to a lot of questions similar to
this. If there are a lot of files, though, I can imagine that
being a real pain.
- Dave
2:32 p.m.
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:14 AM, John Many Jars
<john at yoyodyne-propulsion.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I used to mess about with RSTS/E when I was a kid...
Anyhow, I've been running one I built from tape with simh for ages...
it's accessible on line via my bbs (telnet bbs.cortex-media.info)
I've got an old, incomplete version of dungeon on there.
I'll say! The newspaper is from 28-Jun-1978 and has hints about
a new feature near the gallery (the bank, presumably).
It's old enough that it even has Bob Supnik's mailstop (pre-dating
the phrase "somewhat paranoid DEC engineer who prefers to
remain anonymous").
I've found a more complete version in Fortran.
Yes. There is a later FORTRAN version (also written by
Bob Supnik) that includes the newest puzzles (palantir,
etc)... 3.2A? 3.2B? AFAIK, it should compile and run
fine on RSTS/E. Dunno what version might be required,
but it looks like you are running 9.2 and I would expect
that to be acceptable (I wouldn't try it on version 7, at
least not at first, just out of concern of resource constraints).
What is the best way to get the
files onto the emulated disk so I can build it?
Would it be better to install decnet or use kermit or what?
Kermit is certainly one way to do it. That's how I was moving
Infocom game data files around on Dave McGuire's PDP-11/70
at VCFe last year (after I updated the RT-11 game engine to
run on RSTS/E, my first foray into RSTS application programming).
Good luck!
-ethan
6:18 p.m.
On 7 May 2013 19:32, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
Yes. There is a later FORTRAN version (also written
by
Bob Supnik) that includes the newest puzzles (palantir,
etc)... 3.2A? 3.2B? AFAIK, it should compile and run
fine on RSTS/E. Dunno what version might be required,
but it looks like you are running 9.2 and I would expect
that to be acceptable (I wouldn't try it on version 7, at
least not at first, just out of concern of resource constraints).
You don't happen to have a copy do you? The source I found says it's good for:
=
Dungeon is a maze-solving game for solitaire play. V3.2 runs on any
OpenVMS VAX, OpenVMS AXP, OSF/1 AXP, or RISC ULTRIX system
The commands in build.com don't work, as I bet they are for VMS. I
haven't tried to compile or link anything on a RSTS system in about 30
years -- and I was never into Fortran.
Kermit is certainly one way to do it. That's how I was moving
Infocom game data files around on Dave McGuire's PDP-11/70
at VCFe last year (after I updated the RT-11 game engine to
run on RSTS/E, my first foray into RSTS application programming).
the PUTR utility (as above in the thread) works great. I just can't
get anywhere after that. I'd have better luck if I was 13 again... I
was a lot better at this back in the day! (;
Good luck!
Thanks! So far, no success..
-ethan
--
Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
--------
"Gregor Samsa awoke one morning to discover that he had been
transformed into a giant cockroach." Nah, it's too good.
--Max Bialystock
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