8 Oct
2015
8 Oct
'15
12:24 a.m.
Hello All,
This is just a general shout out and thanks to David (Gesswein) for the
excellent work on the MFM emulator boards. I received both of my fully
assembled emulators today. They arrived professionally packaged and ready to
go out of the box. I wish more hobby/home brew projects went this smoothly
and bore such excellent fruit. Kudos to David!
-Ali
8 Oct
8 Oct
12:42 a.m.
On 10/7/15 9:24 PM, Ali wrote:
Hello All,
This is just a general shout out and thanks to David (Gesswein) for the
excellent work on the MFM emulator boards. I received both of my fully
assembled emulators today. They arrived professionally packaged and ready to
go out of the box. I wish more hobby/home brew projects went this smoothly
and bore such excellent fruit. Kudos to David!
-Ali
Ditto that, mine arrived today as well and I can't wait to put it to use...
- Josh
1:12 a.m.
If this thing is ready for prime time and going to get more widespread
use it would be an excellent idea to start developing a library of
ready-to-run disk images for various machines... perhaps a task best
collated by Bitsavers in their copious free time...?
I've just written to David to order a couple :)
Mike
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Ali <cctalk at fahimi.net> wrote:
Hello All,
This is just a general shout out and thanks to David (Gesswein) for the
excellent work on the MFM emulator boards. I received both of my fully
assembled emulators today. They arrived professionally packaged and ready to
go out of the box. I wish more hobby/home brew projects went this smoothly
and bore such excellent fruit. Kudos to David!
-Ali
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
1:07 p.m.
I was one of the people who built the early rev boards David had.
Excellent project, he is the man...
Here are a few images for your crazy kids to get started with. I'll be adding more as
they come in:
http://x.quaalud.es/images/
If Al decides these sorts of images belong on bitsavers, I'll go on a full-on imaging
spree and work to improve my information hygiene.
- Ian
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 7, 2015, at 22:12, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at
gmail.com> wrote:
If this thing is ready for prime time and going to get more widespread
use it would be an excellent idea to start developing a library of
ready-to-run disk images for various machines... perhaps a task best
collated by Bitsavers in their copious free time...?
I've just written to David to order a couple :)
Mike
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Ali <cctalk at
fahimi.net> wrote:
Hello All,
This is just a general shout out and thanks to David (Gesswein) for the
excellent work on the MFM emulator boards. I received both of my fully
assembled emulators today. They arrived professionally packaged and ready to
go out of the box. I wish more hobby/home brew projects went this smoothly
and bore such excellent fruit. Kudos to David!
-Ali
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.' 
2:18 p.m.
On 10/8/15 10:07 AM, Ian Finder wrote:
If Al decides these sorts of images belong on
bitsavers, I'll go on a full-on imaging spree and work to improve my information
hygiene.
yes, that is the plan. I received one this week as well that I was going to put into an
1186 to make some Koto/Lyric/Medley fresh system images.
2:23 p.m.
On 10/8/15 11:18 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 10/8/15 10:07 AM, Ian Finder wrote:
I also see there's a computer museum coming to Capitol Hill
https://twitter.com/retrocompsea
If Al decides these sorts of images belong on
bitsavers, I'll go on a full-on imaging spree and work to improve my information
hygiene.
yes, that is the plan. I received one this week as well that I was going to put into an
1186 to make some Koto/Lyric/Medley fresh system images.
2:38 p.m.
That's my pet project at this point.
We are having some issues with the space so it will probably (hopefully) open as
appointment-only early next year.
The idea is to find trustworthy people who we can give access to the space to so they can
see projects thru from end-to-end on these systems- learn the development environments,
etc.
We do not intend to overlap with a big, professional museum like CHM or LCM. Rather think
of this as a kind of a maker-space for old systems; There is a lot of interest in Seattle-
largely people from the software industry- who would love to code something on a real PDP
11, Symbolics or a Xerox or a 3B2 / BLIT, but aren't equipped to handle care and
feeding of these sorts of machines.
We also hope to set up reasonable networking and remote access for systems where it is
possible so that people can continue to write software and reverse engineer things from
home, but also visit the machines whenever they need or want to.
It's a pretty crappy little basement but better than nothing, we will see what
happens.
Perhaps it was premature to spin up the Twitter, we have a ways to go but are slowly
making progress.
Cheers-
- Ian
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 8, 2015, at 11:23, Al Kossow <aek at
bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 10/8/15 11:18 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
I also see there's a computer museum coming to Capitol Hill
https://twitter.com/retrocompsea
On 10/8/15 10:07 AM, Ian Finder wrote:
If Al decides these sorts of images belong on bitsavers, I'll go on a full-on imaging
spree and work to improve my information hygiene.
yes, that is the plan. I received one this week as well that I was going to put into an
1186 to make some Koto/Lyric/Medley fresh system images. 
3:35 p.m.
That sounds like the museum we have at hack42.nl. we are a hackerspace
with a enormous collection of old computers but we are not open at
regular times. of course making the collection available in an database
on the web and digitising the documentation is one of our goals (besides
having fun with those machines. :-) )
simon
On 08-10-15 20:38, Ian Finder wrote:
That's my pet project at this point.
We are having some issues with the space so it will probably (hopefully) open as
appointment-only early next year.
The idea is to find trustworthy people who we can give access to the space to so they can
see projects thru from end-to-end on these systems- learn the development environments,
etc.
We do not intend to overlap with a big, professional museum like CHM or LCM. Rather think
of this as a kind of a maker-space for old systems; There is a lot of interest in Seattle-
largely people from the software industry- who would love to code something on a real PDP
11, Symbolics or a Xerox or a 3B2 / BLIT, but aren't equipped to handle care and
feeding of these sorts of machines.
We also hope to set up reasonable networking and remote access for systems where it is
possible so that people can continue to write software and reverse engineer things from
home, but also visit the machines whenever they need or want to.
It's a pretty crappy little basement but better than nothing, we will see what
happens.
Perhaps it was premature to spin up the Twitter, we have a ways to go but are slowly
making progress.
Cheers-
- Ian
--
Met vriendelijke Groet,
Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl
3:37 p.m.
I consider below a sort of unspoken goal of all responsible folk in this
hobby, but sadly I have been disappointed on occasion:
of course making the collection available in an
database on the web and
digitising the documentation is one of our goals
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM, simon <simski at dds.nl> wrote:
That sounds like the museum we have at hack42.nl. we
are a hackerspace
with a enormous collection of old computers but we are not open at regular
times. of course making the collection available in an database on the web
and digitising the documentation is one of our goals (besides having fun
with those machines. :-) )
simon
On 08-10-15 20:38, Ian Finder wrote:
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
That's my pet project at this point.
We are having some issues with the space so it will probably (hopefully)
open as appointment-only early next year.
The idea is to find trustworthy people who we can give access to the
space to so they can see projects thru from end-to-end on these systems-
learn the development environments, etc.
We do not intend to overlap with a big, professional museum like CHM or
LCM. Rather think of this as a kind of a maker-space for old systems; There
is a lot of interest in Seattle- largely people from the software industry-
who would love to code something on a real PDP 11, Symbolics or a Xerox or
a 3B2 / BLIT, but aren't equipped to handle care and feeding of these sorts
of machines.
We also hope to set up reasonable networking and remote access for
systems where it is possible so that people can continue to write software
and reverse engineer things from home, but also visit the machines whenever
they need or want to.
It's a pretty crappy little basement but better than nothing, we will see
what happens.
Perhaps it was premature to spin up the Twitter, we have a ways to go but
are slowly making progress.
Cheers-
- Ian
--
Met vriendelijke Groet,
Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl
3:37 p.m.
On 10/8/15 11:38 AM, Ian Finder wrote:
We do not intend to overlap with a big, professional
museum like CHM or LCM. Rather think of this as a kind of a maker-space for old systems;
There is a lot of interest in Seattle- largely people from the software industry- who
would love to code something on a real PDP 11, Symbolics or a Xerox or a 3B2 / BLIT, but
aren't equipped to handle care and feeding of these sorts of machines.
Good. There have been false starts for something similar down here for at least five
years
The problem is real estate has become insanely expensive here, so it is tough to get
traction.
I have a good friend that lived on CH in the 90's, and it sounds like things are
getting bad up there
too.
5:08 p.m.
Perq and Symbolics! Very useful; exactly the kind of thing I had in mind.
Xerox would be very good for me; I have a bunch of 6085 workstations
with about one good disk between them...
Mike
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote:
I was one of the people who built the early rev boards
David had.
Excellent project, he is the man...
Here are a few images for your crazy kids to get started with. I'll be adding more as
they come in:
http://x.quaalud.es/images/
If Al decides these sorts of images belong on bitsavers, I'll go on a full-on imaging
spree and work to improve my information hygiene.
- Ian
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 7, 2015, at 22:12, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If this thing is ready for prime time and going to get more widespread
> use it would be an excellent idea to start developing a library of
> ready-to-run disk images for various machines... perhaps a task best
> collated by Bitsavers in their copious free time...?
>
> I've just written to David to order a couple :)
>
> Mike
>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Ali <cctalk at fahimi.net> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> This is just a general shout out and thanks to David (Gesswein) for the
>> excellent work on the MFM emulator boards. I received both of my fully
>> assembled emulators today. They arrived professionally packaged and ready to
>> go out of the box. I wish more hobby/home brew projects went this smoothly
>> and bore such excellent fruit. Kudos to David!
>>
>> -Ali
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.corestore.org
> 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
> Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
> For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
5:17 p.m.
Mike- as soon as I get mine working I'll snag my disk back from Mr. Josh D.
and image it up too :)
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
Perq and Symbolics! Very useful; exactly the kind of
thing I had in mind.
Xerox would be very good for me; I have a bunch of 6085 workstations
with about one good disk between them...
Mike
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote:
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
I was one of the people who built the early rev
boards David had.
Excellent project, he is the man...
Here are a few images for your crazy kids to get started with. I'll be
adding
more as they come in:
http://x.quaalud.es/images/
If Al decides these sorts of images belong on bitsavers, I'll go on a
full-on
imaging spree and work to improve my information hygiene.
- Ian
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 7, 2015, at 22:12, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If this thing is ready for prime time and going to get more widespread
> use it would be an excellent idea to start developing a library of
> ready-to-run disk images for various machines... perhaps a task best
> collated by Bitsavers in their copious free time...?
>
> I've just written to David to order a couple :)
>
> Mike
>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Ali <cctalk at fahimi.net> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> This is just a general shout out and thanks to David (Gesswein) for the
>> excellent work on the MFM emulator boards. I received both of my fully
>> assembled emulators today. They arrived professionally packaged and
ready
to
>> go out of the box. I wish more hobby/home
brew projects went this
smoothly
>> and bore such excellent fruit. Kudos to
David!
>>
>> -Ali
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.corestore.org
> 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
> Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
> For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
5:20 p.m.
Superb. There was more than one environment/OS available for those
machines as I recall; I've only ever seen the Viewpoint setup, but
there was at least one development environment available too IIRC...?
Mike
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote:
Mike- as soon as I get mine working I'll snag my
disk back from Mr. Josh D.
and image it up too :)
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
Perq and Symbolics! Very useful; exactly the kind
of thing I had in mind.
Xerox would be very good for me; I have a bunch of 6085 workstations
with about one good disk between them...
Mike
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote:
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com I was one of the people who built the early rev
boards David had.
Excellent project, he is the man...
Here are a few images for your crazy kids to get started with. I'll be
adding
more as they come in:
http://x.quaalud.es/images/
If Al decides these sorts of images belong on bitsavers, I'll go on a
full-on
imaging spree and work to improve my information hygiene.
- Ian
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 7, 2015, at 22:12, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If this thing is ready for prime time and going to get more widespread
> use it would be an excellent idea to start developing a library of
> ready-to-run disk images for various machines... perhaps a task best
> collated by Bitsavers in their copious free time...?
>
> I've just written to David to order a couple :)
>
> Mike
>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Ali <cctalk at fahimi.net> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> This is just a general shout out and thanks to David (Gesswein) for the
>> excellent work on the MFM emulator boards. I received both of my fully
>> assembled emulators today. They arrived professionally packaged and
ready
to
>> go out of the box. I wish more hobby/home
brew projects went this
smoothly
>> and bore such excellent fruit. Kudos to
David!
>>
>> -Ali
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.corestore.org
> 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
> Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
> For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
9 Oct
9 Oct
7:59 a.m.
On Thu, 8 Oct 2015, Ian Finder wrote:
I was one of the people who built the early rev boards
David had.
Ditto
Excellent project, he is the man...
And then some!
Here are a few images for your crazy kids to get
started with. I'll be
adding more as they come in: http://x.quaalud.es/images/
Have you been able to turn that Horizon capture around and utilize it in
emulation? One of the last remaining nits we're fighting with is that N*
Advantage captures do not read correctly when turned around in emulation.
Such a capture can be reformatted using the system utilities and will then
work fine.
David is currently busy getting the latest run out the door so hopefully
this will get debugged in the near future.
--
1:34 p.m.
Am 08.10.2015 um 07:12 schrieb Mike Ross:
If this thing is ready for prime time and going to get
more widespread
use it would be an excellent idea to start developing a library of
ready-to-run disk images for various machines... perhaps a task best
collated by Bitsavers in their copious free time...?
I've just written to David to order a couple :)
Mike
Thats a good idea.
My hardware has a homemade adaption of mfm-harddisk with
omti-controller to a genie 3s cp/m system made here in germany.
As the image will be useful mostly for myself (I don't know who has made
an identically build) I'll make an image and save it on a webserver
for archiving.
My ordered mfm-emulators are on the way and I'm very excited about them.
Greetings
fritz
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