5 Dec
2010
5 Dec
'10
9:32 a.m.
I was given a ZIP file that unpacks to two directories under MacOSX:
Diagnostic1
MacUser
All files are in pre-OSX "forked" format. I copied both resulting
subtrees to a netatalk server and tried to access them from a 68k mac. For
some reason, the second of these is visible under MacOS 7.x (tried several
values of 'x')!
The MacUser directory is fine - both data and resource forks are as
expected. However, no matter what I've tried 'Diagnostic1' simply does
not show up in the finder. I'm sure it's something basic, but I'm not
much of an ancient Mac guru.
Any ideas?
Steve
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6 Dec
6 Dec
4:46 a.m.
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Steven Hirsch wrote:
I was given a ZIP file that unpacks to two directories
under MacOSX:
Diagnostic1
MacUser
All files are in pre-OSX "forked" format. I copied both resulting subtrees
to a netatalk server and tried to access them from a 68k mac. For some
reason, the second of these is visible under MacOS 7.x (tried several values
of 'x')!
Ack, sorry: s/visible/invisible/
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10:14 a.m.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
The MacUser directory is fine - both data and resource forks are as
expected. However, no matter what I've tried 'Diagnostic1' simply does not
show up in the finder. I'm sure it's something basic, but I'm not much of
an ancient Mac guru.
Wild guess, but might be a custom folder icon that's having it's resource
fork blown away? Did you try rebuilding the desktop on the 68k machine? I'm
not sure if it's possible, but you might try doing the same on the netatalk
share.
8 Dec
8 Dec
4:11 a.m.
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Jason McBrien wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Steven Hirsch
<snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
Good thought, but there is no icon information in the netatalk metadata
(it has a dedicated file for desktop info). I believe this is something
much more basic.
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The MacUser directory is fine - both data and resource forks are as
expected. However, no matter what I've tried 'Diagnostic1' simply does not
show up in the finder. I'm sure it's something basic, but I'm not much of
an ancient Mac guru.
Wild guess, but might be a custom folder icon that's having it's resource
fork blown away? Did you try rebuilding the desktop on the 68k machine? I'm
not sure if it's possible, but you might try doing the same on the netatalk
share. 
12:49 p.m.
On 2010 Dec 8, at 4:11 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Jason McBrien wrote:
If I'm following this correctly, a file - which you know exists - is
not showing up in the finder windows or desktop?
IIRC, there is a HIDDEN attribute for files in the old MacOS, which can
be accessed through something like ResEdit or the Norton Utilities.
I'd have to fire up an MacOS 9 machine to check and I'm not sure the
machine I could easily fire up has the utility to double-check the
matter installed.
Aren't there some MacExperts here?
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Steven Hirsch
<snhirsch at gmail.com>
wrote:
Good thought, but there is no icon information in the netatalk
metadata (it has a dedicated file for desktop info). I believe this
is something much more basic. The MacUser directory is fine - both data and
resource forks are as
expected. However, no matter what I've tried 'Diagnostic1' simply
does not
show up in the finder. I'm sure it's something basic, but I'm not
much of
an ancient Mac guru.
Wild guess, but might be a custom folder icon that's having it's
resource
fork blown away? Did you try rebuilding the desktop on the 68k
machine? I'm
not sure if it's possible, but you might try doing the same on the
netatalk
share.
2:58 p.m.
On 2010 Dec 8, at 12:49 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
On 2010 Dec 8, at 4:11 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
I fired up an old Mac Performa 5300CD / MacOS 8.5 and installed Norton
Utilities from floppies (that was a nostalgic novelty: flipping floppy
disks from install prompts).
There is an "Is Invisible" flag for each file (bit 14 of the Finder
Flags), which does exactly what it suggests, and which can be toggled
with Norton Disk Editor. I don't know what other means there might be
to toggle the flag. I'm not sure this is the nature of the issue you
have, so just FWIW ...
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Jason McBrien wrote:
If I'm following this correctly, a file - which you know exists - is
not showing up in the finder windows or desktop?
IIRC, there is a HIDDEN attribute for files in the old MacOS, which
can be accessed through something like ResEdit or the Norton
Utilities.
I'd have to fire up an MacOS 9 machine to check and I'm not sure the
machine I could easily fire up has the utility to double-check the
matter installed. On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Steven Hirsch
<snhirsch at gmail.com>
wrote:
Good thought, but there is no icon information in the netatalk
metadata (it has a dedicated file for desktop info). I believe this
is something much more basic. The MacUser directory is fine - both data and
resource forks are as
expected. However, no matter what I've tried 'Diagnostic1' simply
does not
show up in the finder. I'm sure it's something basic, but I'm not
much of
an ancient Mac guru.
Wild guess, but might be a custom folder icon that's having it's
resource
fork blown away? Did you try rebuilding the desktop on the 68k
machine? I'm
not sure if it's possible, but you might try doing the same on the
netatalk
share.
9 Dec
9 Dec
4:17 a.m.
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Brent Hilpert wrote:
On 2010 Dec 8, at 12:49 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
I don't have Norton Utilities, but was able to lay my hands on a shareware
version of "Snitch" that supports a similar function. After a bit of
fumbling around (the author spent about 10x the effort on annoying pop-ups
requesting payment than he did on actually documenting how to use the
)(*^()*&^% thing) I was able to find and flip off the invisible bit.
I found the tool so annoying that I think I'll go after a copy of Norton
before considering a shareware payment.
Life is good now, at any rate.
Steve
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On 2010 Dec 8, at 4:11 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
I fired up an old Mac Performa 5300CD / MacOS 8.5 and installed Norton
Utilities from floppies (that was a nostalgic novelty: flipping floppy disks
from install prompts).
There is an "Is Invisible" flag for each file (bit 14 of the Finder Flags),
which does exactly what it suggests, and which can be toggled with Norton
Disk Editor. I don't know what other means there might be to toggle the flag.
I'm not sure this is the nature of the issue you have, so just FWIW ... On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Jason McBrien wrote:
If I'm following this correctly, a file - which you know exists - is not
showing up in the finder windows or desktop?
IIRC, there is a HIDDEN attribute for files in the old MacOS, which can be
accessed through something like ResEdit or the Norton Utilities.
I'd have to fire up an MacOS 9 machine to check and I'm not sure the
machine I could easily fire up has the utility to double-check the matter
installed. On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Steven Hirsch
<snhirsch at gmail.com>
wrote:
> The MacUser directory is fine - both data and resource forks are as
> expected. However, no matter what I've tried 'Diagnostic1' simply does
> not
> show up in the finder. I'm sure it's something basic, but I'm not much
> of
> an ancient Mac guru.
Wild guess, but might be a custom folder icon that's having it's resource
fork blown away? Did you try rebuilding the desktop on the 68k machine?
I'm
not sure if it's possible, but you might try doing the same on the
netatalk
share.
Good thought, but there is no icon information in the netatalk metadata
(it has a dedicated file for desktop info). I believe this is something
much more basic.
8 Dec
8 Dec
4:40 p.m.
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Brent Hilpert wrote:
On 2010 Dec 8, at 4:11 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
More accurately, it's a _folder_ (directory) that fails to show up.
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Jason McBrien wrote:
If I'm following this correctly, a file - which you know exists - is not
showing up in the finder windows or desktop? On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Steven Hirsch
<snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
Good thought, but there is no icon information in the netatalk metadata (it
has a dedicated file for desktop info). I believe this is something much
more basic. The MacUser directory is fine - both data and
resource forks are as
expected. However, no matter what I've tried 'Diagnostic1' simply does
not
show up in the finder. I'm sure it's something basic, but I'm not much
of
an ancient Mac guru.
Wild guess, but might be a custom folder icon that's having it's resource
fork blown away? Did you try rebuilding the desktop on the 68k machine?
I'm
not sure if it's possible, but you might try doing the same on the
netatalk
share. IIRC, there is a HIDDEN attribute for files in the old
MacOS, which can be
accessed through something like ResEdit or the Norton Utilities.
I suspected that, but am not really a Mac guru. Any pointers to such a
utility would be appreciated! For laughs, I created a new directory from
the mac, then used netatalk utils to copy the "invisible" files into that
location (they can't hide from Linux). The new directory and its contents
are quite visible to the mac.
I'd have to fire up an MacOS 9 machine to check
and I'm not sure the machine
I could easily fire up has the utility to double-check the matter installed.
Aren't there some MacExperts here?
What he said :-)
Steve
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