From: Yowza! <yowza(a)yowza.com>
Subject: GP-IB (was Re: Atari 8-bit Find)
On Sat, 14 Feb 1998, Larry Anderson & Diane Hare
wrote:
> Remember if you find a hint of something you are
collecting at a thrift,
> look around for other components (i.e. if you find a Commodore IEEE-488
> cable start looking for PET/B-128 drives, printers, computers, tapes,
> disks, manuals, etc.)
Which reminds me: why didn't IEEE-488 ever become a
big hit in the
computer biz? It's been around since the 60's, is standard, has good
performance, has IC support, can handle a bunch of devices, etc., but it
became relagated to a niche of scientific instrument control for some
reason.
Here is an interesting tidbit I found a year or so ago which partially
answers at least Commodore's part of the question:
**QUOTE**
From: brain(a)garnet.msen.com (Jim Brain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: PC's as 64 HD's and the 6522 chip!
Date: 7 Apr 1994 13:48:35 GMT
Right after I posted about hooking a 6522 VIA up to a PC parallel port
to turn the PC into a "char-banger" instead of a "bit-banger",
someone
posted that they had thought the 6522 had a problem with the shift
register. The poster also said that Jim Butterfield had alerted him and
others to it.
Well, I have been in correspondence with "The Commodore Man", so I
asked him
to elaborate on the topic. Here is the two responses:
Yes, it's true. Although I didn't get
official confirmation of this
long after, when a Spectrum article quoted the designers.
As you know, the first Commodore computers used the IEEE bus to connect to
peripherals such as disk and printer. I understand that these were available
only from one source: Belden cables. A couple of years into Commodore's
computer career, Belden went out of stock on such cables (military contract?
who knows?). In any case, Commodore were in quite a fix: they made
computers and disk drives, but couldn't hook 'em together!
So Tramiel issued the order: "On our next computer, get off that bus.
Make it a cable anyone can manufacture". And so, starting with the VIC-20
the serial bus was born. It was intended to be just as fast as the
IEEE-488 it replaced.
Technically, the idea was sound: the 6522 VIA chip has a "shift
register" circuit that, if tickled with the right signals (data and clock)
will cheerfully collect 8 bits of data without any help from the CPU.
At that time, it would signal that it had a byte to be collected, and
the processor would do so, using an automatic handshake built into the
6522 to trigger the next incoming byte. Things worked in a similar way
outgoing from the computer, too.
We early PET/CBM freaks knew, from playing music, that there was something
wrong with the 6522's shift register: it interfered with other functions.
The rule was: turn off the music before you start the tape! (The shift
register was a popular sound generator). But the Commodore engineers,
who only made the chip, didn't know this. Until they got into final
checkout of the VIC-20.
By this time, the VIC-20 board was in manufacture. A new chip could
be designed in a few months (yes, the silicon guys had application notes
about the problem, long since), but it was TOO LATE!
A major software rewrite had to take place that changed the VIC-20
into a "bit-catcher" rather than a "character-catcher". It called
for
eight times as much work on the part of the CPU; and unlike the shift
register plan, there was no timing/handshake slack time. The whole
thing slowed down by a factor of approximately 5 to 6.
There's more (the follow-on C64 catastrophe), but that's where it
happened.
--Jim
And the saga continues ...
When the 64 came out, the problem VIA 6522 chip had
been
replaced by the CIA 6526. This did not have the shift register problem
which had caused trouble on the VIC-20, and at that time it would have
been possible to restore plan 1, a fast serial bus. Note that this would
have called for a redesign of the 1540 disk drive, which also used a VIA.
As best I can estimate - and an article in the IEEE Spectrum magazine
supports this - the matter was discussed within Commodore, and it was
decided that VIC-20 compatibility was more important than disk speed.
Perhaps the prospect of a 1541 redesign was an important part of the
decision, since current inventories needed to be taken into account.
But to keep the Commodore 64 as a "bit-banger", a new problem arose.
The higher-resolution screen of the 64 (as compared to the VIC-20)
could not be supported without stopping the CPU every once in a while.
To be exact: Every 8 screen raster lines (each line of text), the CPU
had to be put into a WAIT condition for 42 microseconds, so as to allow
the next line of screen text and color nybbles to be swept into the chip.
(More time would be needed if sprites were being used).
But the bits were coming in on the serial bus faster than that: aD
a bit would come in about every 20 microseconds! So the poor CPU, frozen
for longer than that, would miss some serial bits completely!
Commodore's solution was to slow down the serial bus even more.
That's why the VIC-20 has a faster serial bus than the 64, even though
the 64 was capable, technically, of running many times faster.
Fast disk finally came into its own with the Commodore 128.
--Jim
Now someone also told me at one time that they had seen a fastloader
that
same someone said he thought it was odd that the author of the loader
had
credited Commodore with the routines. Well, I can hazard a guess that
the
routines were the ones they had wanted to put in the 6522, but had to
scrap
due to the 6522 problem. Now I have no idea what the problem is/was,
but
I am eager to find out. However, I rescind my plans to build something
around the 6522 until we find out what the problem is.
Jim "Just the Facts" Brain
**END QUOTE**
The 64 and VIC would have had a faster drive if it wern't for the
cables and the chip problems... Probably HP was doing major IEEE-488
sales and it was a strain on the cable manufactuer. IEEE-488 cables
nowadays run from $40-$90 new, of course it is a standard 'get' item on
my mental thrift store shopping list.
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