John: Shure, you never get 100% sales, but with a lower price, the number of people buying will increase. Not only from people not pirating, but also a lot among people who wouldn't had the chance to copy and didn't buy because of the price. Software is still not eatable (or drinkable) and people don't NEED all the soft they are buying and copying. THis just prevents them from paying a unreasonable price. In fact, before the build in (Microsoft) Basic of my Apple ][+ I never owned a Basic. Shure, I thought about it, and was able to use it (tried HP Basic), but there was no real need to pay money for a language. I could do anything I want in Assembly. In fact it took a long time until I found some usefull things to do with HLLs other than Macro-Assm (Still today most of my programming is in Assm). All this moarning, crieing and juggling about piracy realy misses the point. High prices could only be reached if there is a return of this cost to the buyer thru usage of the software. Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK