At 07:37 PM 10/8/2004, Tom Jennings wrote: Ah, another fine example of the most humbling aspect of my life in the last decade or so: that there's nothing new under the sun, that all those fresh-faced ideas I have before breakfast are already being explored by talented and well-funded researchers, or implemented by hard-working Czechs who want to give it away, or worse yet, productized in the USA in foolish ways (ala CueCat.) I think that the average person's ear is already tuning-out such beeps and boops. Some of her examples on her web page sound like the bumpers on radio and television shows. It must be fun to do what she's doing: there could be so many perceptual and aesthetic issues to explore, like making audio modem sounds that sound pleasant because they obey culturally popular music conventions (encode 400 bits in jazz, 400 bits in pop, 400 bits in Muzak, inversion, cycles, etc.) - John