The wonderful bonus you have here with the Mac is... AppleTalk isn't passed by home internet routers or modems. So you can safely have the default settings of a home file/print sharing turned on on your Macs, and no one outside of your home network will know it is there. This changes if you turn on AppleTalk over IP, but since that is off by default, you must explicitly set it when you turn on your filesharing. At that point, if you don't know what you are activating, you deserve what you get. Also, even if I run servers/services that DO interact with the internet... I am far less likely to be hacked simply by virtue of there is almost no one trying to hack the Mac servers. That isn't true with Windows and Unix where any 13yr old script kiddie can get tools to make attempts. I don't pretend that Mac internet servers are unhackable... just that people aren't making easy tools to try, so the script kiddies ignore them. Much like Mac users being "immune" to viruses. We are FAR from immune... we just don't really see them because no one is interested in trying. There are advantages to being a 5% market... small targets don't get hit often. (so how long now until someone hacks my web page to prove a point :-) ) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>