Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:46:55 -0800 From: "Marcin Wichary" <mwichary at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Who's collection is that? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <1debc0350801081246y1f1cd0fdl49c2787493829c3d at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It looks like the collection they have in Bletchley Park... http://picasaweb.google.com/mwichary/BletchleyPark Esp. this photo: http://picasaweb.google.com/mwichary/BletchleyPark/photo#5007045881138292738, although I was there a year and a half ago. Clarkson is actually pretty funny, usually. :) On Jan 8, 2008 12:30 PM, Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com> wrote: -- Marcin Wichary User interface designer, Google Graphical User Interface gallery >> www.guidebookgallery.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:42:15 -0800 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: Wonder how useful this would be, MMC to floppy disk adapter To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <47836FA7.5245.3E2F3BAD at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dunno, but at that price, I couldn't resist ordering a couple. I'll pop one open to see what makes it tick. Note that the floppy is simply used as a coupling device--the gizmo requires installation of drivers. I'm particularly interested to see if those drivers will work with a USB drive (i.e. how general are they?)--the literature's not quite clear on that; only that it doesn't work with PC Card drives. Thanks for the link. The Smartdisk.com web site doesn't seem to be responding; let's hope it's temporary. Cheers, Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:09:03 +0000 From: Adrian Graham <witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> Subject: Re: Who's collection is that? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <C3A996EF.153F1%witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 8/1/08 20:30, "Sellam Ismail" <sellam at vintagetech.com> wrote: It's an award-winning motoring show that polarises people's opinion on Clarkson. Some, like me, think he's great and everyone else thinks he's a <expletive deleted> That's the old Block H museum at Bletchley Park and to be fair he's only smashing up a Tecra :) That room is now the Large Machine room of the new National Museum of Computing and we now have the entire run of H-Block which is the world's first purpose built computer room that housed the codebreaking Colossus machines from Jan 1944. Jules will be along soon to provide links etc that I can never remember! -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:14:03 -0600 From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Who's collection is that? To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4783E79B.1050507 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Marcin Wichary wrote: Yes it is/was, although that was before my time there, so the vid's at least four years old. First time I've seen it too - I had no idea anyone actually let him do that right next to any of the 'real' machines! :-( ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:35:07 +0000 From: Lawrence Wilkinson <ljw-cctech at ljw.me.uk> Subject: S/360 update To: cctech at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <1199828107.20866.25.camel at ljw.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain I've just had a email from Bob Doran, who was one of my CompSci professors at Auckland University. It seems that they (AU Comp Sci) have the front panel from my 360 which they salvaged many years ago, and which is now becoming part of a lobby display. So at least now I know something about what happened to it, but I suspect that the rest of the system was scrapped. One part he's after for the panel is the centre Display Store Selection rotary switch dials (there are two parts to the rotary switch), so if anyone happens to know where there's a spare one, I'm sure he'd be grateful! (See the top picture at http://www.corestore.org/360.htm , thanks Mike!) -- Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:21:57 -0700 From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> Subject: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <E1JCMpZ-0002Oo-00 at xmission.xmission.com> In reading some stupid web site today that claimed to have a canonical list of "top 50 arguments of computing" (e-week? someplace I normally ignore), they had the "DEC vs. IBM" argument in which they claimed that AS/400 was created as a "VAX killer" by IBM. Is this really true? I never heard of an AS/400 described that way. They also had some weird ideas about DEC vs. IBM networking described in that argument, as if neither company supported TCP/IP until their proprietary networks (DECnet and SNA) were forced to relinquish ground to open protocols. OK, googling brings up the link. "Network World" is the culprit: <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/102607-arguments-dec-ibm.html?nwwpkg=50arguments> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:26:09 -0700 From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> Subject: CDC GRID (Graphical Interactive Display) manual online To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <E1JCMtd-0002sz-00 at xmission.xmission.com> OK, someone beat me to it (or saved me the trouble of scanning, not sure which :-) on the CDC manual. Hrm. Did someone scan and contribute to bitsavers and then sell it to me on ebay? <http://bitsavers.org/pdf/cdc/graphics/grid/PD82134500_GRID_Preliminary_Hardware_Manual_Sep69.pdf> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:07:07 -0500 From: "Curt @ Atari Museum" <curt at atarimuseum.com> Subject: Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4784021B.5060604 at atarimuseum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I was at I think the 1990 or 1991 New York Computer Show at Jacob Javitts and IBM had a booth setup with a ton of the small BA440 sized AS400's and they were streaming video across a network onto a presentation screen from one, running Novell on another, I thought perhaps they were running a derivative of OS/2 (but I'm not totally certain) and then running others with standard AS/400 apps on others. The IBM rep's were touting their abilities and DEC Vax's were mentioned several times during the course of casual conversations I overheard throughout the booth. They were really pushing the AS/400's as the end all, beat all workhorse machine. Curt Richard wrote: ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:13:32 +0000 From: Pete Turnbull <pete at dunnington.plus.com> Subject: Re: Wonder how useful this would be, MMC to floppy disk adapter To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4784039C.1080302 at dunnington.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 08/01/2008 20:42, Chuck Guzis wrote: I remember those, but they're quite old. I was interested at the time because I was was looking for a way to read cards from a digital camera, but I rapidly discovered that it only worked with one particular version of Windows (95, I think) and the support was non-existent. Absolutely no way to make it work with Linux/Irix/Solaris/MS-DOS which was what I wanted. So I decided to get a Sony camera that took 3.5" floppies instead (that'll date it for you). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:29:29 -0000 From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini at iee.org> Subject: RE: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <002201c8524e$51c8cce0$5b01a8c0 at uatempname> Richard wrote: The original "VAX killer" was the IBM 9370 (or so I was told when I was working on a mixed DEC/IBM site back in the 1990s). I've never heard an AS400 described that way either, but by then I was firmly entrenched at DEC sites (and then DEC) so I wouldn't have been in a position to hear such gossip anyway. Wouldn't surprise me to hear the phrase re-used though. Antonio No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 07/01/2008 09:14 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:50:12 -0800 From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> Subject: re: CDC GRID (Graphical Interactive Display) manual online To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <47840C34.8070207 at bitsavers.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The scan was from a copy in the CHM archives. Do you have the same revision of this document? ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:53:46 +0000 From: jpero at sympatico.ca Subject: youtube movie of making a vacuum triode. To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <6bpm1d$55ejur at toip4.srvr.bell.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is in french but the video is priceless! 17 minutes long. Worth taking your favorite drink and take a seat. http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/01/make_your_own_vaccum_tube.ht ml Cheers, Wizard ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:54:15 +0000 From: Peter Hicks <peter.hicks at poggs.co.uk> Subject: ST412 controller cables To: cctech at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <47840D27.9070307 at poggs.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hello! In an attempt to resurrect an old Mitsubishi MR535R (RLL) drive, I managed to pick up an ST11M controller by accident - it was advertised on eBay as "MFM or RLL". Two things: 1) Does anyone have a spare set of control and data cables? I'm willing to pay for 'em, or visit Maplin for components to make up a set, since they're probably easy to make with IDC connectors and ribbon cable. 2) Does anyone happen to have a suitable RLL controller they're looking to get rid of, or could let me have access to one for a few hours? The 60Mb drive possibly contains some very old RM Net 3.1 software which I'd like to archive off, as there doesn't seem to be anyone at all - even at RM - who has any software left. I'd be happy to travel (within reason, I'm in London, UK) and exchange use of a controller card for beer/alcohol :) Cheers Peter -- Peter Hicks | e: my.name at poggs.co.uk | g: 0xE7C839F4 | w: www.poggs.com A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation Q: Why is top-posting bad? ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:04:44 -0500 From: "Richard A. Cini" <rcini at optonline.net> Subject: Re: youtube movie of making a vacuum triode. To: "Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <C3A979CC.145AC%rcini at optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII OMG, that is soooo amazing. Proof positive that you can make anything with the proper tools. Mesmerizing. On 1/8/08 1:53 PM, "jpero at sympatico.ca" <jpero at sympatico.ca> wrote: Rich -- Rich Cini Collector of Classic Computers Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator http://www.altair32.com http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:11:00 -0500 From: "Evan" <evan at snarc.net> Subject: Re: Who's collection is that? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"<cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <200801090011.m090BUYG096960 at keith.ezwind.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Will read when I get home ... But Top Gear is a great show. Also ... "whose" ... you dumbass. :) -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com> Subj: Who's collection is that? Date: Tue Jan 8, 2008 3:44 pm Size: 821 bytes To: Classic Computers Mailing List <cctalk at classiccmp.org> View the YouTube clip on this blog posting by Christine Finn: http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/01/top-gear-star-i.html This is Jeremy Clarkson, some British guy who does a show called "Top Gear". I'm not familiar with it. But what I want to know is, whose collection is that in the video? And why did they allow this psychotic monkey to start going apeshit with a hammer around all those vintage machines? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:34:48 -0000 From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini at iee.org> Subject: Who says you can't make your own vacuum tubes? To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <002901c85257$71db9ef0$5b01a8c0 at uatempname> This from Make (via slashdot): http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/01/make_your_own_vaccum_tube.html There seems to be a bunch of paperwork on his site too (assuming you count PDF as "paperwork"). Won't be too long before someone is building 7400 TTL replacements chips in a garage somewhere! Antonio No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 07/01/2008 09:14 ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:37:42 -0700 From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> Subject: Re: CDC GRID (Graphical Interactive Display) manual online To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <E1JCOww-0006Iy-00 at xmission.xmission.com> In article <47840C34.8070207 at bitsavers.org>, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> writes: I'll check the document numbers, but it looks identical, complete with the same provisional hand-written notes and whatnot. The two short addendums to the manual are not present in that scan, so I can scan those and upload them. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:40:59 -0500 From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan at snarc.net> Subject: RE: Who's collection is that? To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <010e01c85258$4f6248a0$f750f945 at evan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Crap ... I'm the dumbass ... meant to reply to Sellam directly. -----Original Message----- From: Evan [mailto:evan at snarc.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:11 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Who's collection is that? Will read when I get home ... But Top Gear is a great show. Also ... "whose" ... you dumbass. :) -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com> Subj: Who's collection is that? Date: Tue Jan 8, 2008 3:44 pm Size: 821 bytes To: Classic Computers Mailing List <cctalk at classiccmp.org> View the YouTube clip on this blog posting by Christine Finn: http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/01/top-gear-star-i.html This is Jeremy Clarkson, some British guy who does a show called "Top Gear". I'm not familiar with it. But what I want to know is, whose collection is that in the video? And why did they allow this psychotic monkey to start going apeshit with a hammer around all those vintage machines? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:16:58 -0800 From: Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> Subject: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: General at priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net, "Discussion at priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net":On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4784208A.8589EB19 at cs.ubc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Richard wrote: There's a lot of room for shades of gray in there (what does 'forced' mean, and how far, and when) but I'd say there is a good deal of validity to that argument. In the 80's DEC and IBM were pretty big on pushing their own 'networking solutions' and did their best to avoid open protocols, at least above the link level. TCP/IP didn't have the degree of prominence in the networking world in those days as it does today. There was also resistance to open protocols at the customer level if those customers were already ensconced in the proprietary networks. A lot of people were looking only at their immediate needs rather than seeing the future of an 'interconnected world'. (As I've said before on the list) there was at least one third-party producing a TCP/IP stack for VMS before DEC got around to it. To my recollection, IBM was even later in taking up TCP/IP, although one might have to distinguish between mainframe and PC stuff. Put another way, DEC and IBM didn't support TCP/IP until they 'had to' (as in market forces). ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:27:20 -0600 From: "Michael B. Brutman" <mbbrutman-cctalk at brutman.com> Subject: Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <478422F8.3060100 at brutman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't know if IBM created the AS/400 as a VAX killer. I doubt it. The AS/400 is a direct descendent of the S/38. The S/38 was designed and built by the people who brought you the S/36, S/34, and earlier machines. The IBM plant that built those machines and related equipment has been in Rochester MN since the late 1950s. Both series of machines competed in the mid-range market. I don't think that IBM has 'won' the mid-range market with the AS/400 and iSeries. I think it is just the last player standing in that market, with Unix machines having done serious damage to all of the players. Mike ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:20:43 -0700 From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> Subject: Re: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <E1JCRUh-0004D0-00 at xmission.xmission.com> In article <4784208A.8589EB19 at cs.ubc.ca>, Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> writes: nd But wasn't DEC instrumental in helping ethernet succeed? See the history section of <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet>. Or am I confusing ethernet (physical layer) with tcp/ip (protocol layer)? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:32:50 -0500 From: "John Floren" <slawmaster at gmail.com> Subject: Re: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <7d3530220801081932j497f341bw5be32cfc51fd2dbf at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 1/8/08, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: DECnet runs over ethernet. Plan 9's IL protocol (used instead of tcp in the early days) runs over ethernet. I think you're confusing physical layer with protocol layer :) John -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:11:11 -0800 From: Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> Subject: Re: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: General at priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net, "Discussion at priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net":On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <47844960.20BB087F at cs.ubc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Richard wrote: Yes, ethernet was precisely what I had in mind as I added that little "at least above the link level" clause to my comment. Ethernet is quite distinct from TCP/IP, it's just another link type as far as IP is concerned. DEC latched on to ethernet quite early to use as a (choice of) link layer for DECnet. It is kind of funny that manufacturers could agree on physical & frame level stuff (RS232,HDLC,ethernet,etc.) but then had to go their own way in the higher layers. Or one might say that agreement started at the physical level, and it just took time to go up the stack getting agreement along the way. (Or else it's just easier to be proprietary in software than hardware.) I well remember linking VAXes together and fighting with 2-metre loops of thick-wire ethernet while banging those damned metal brick transceivers around, until DEC saved us all with that first 8-port ethernet 'hub' (although the transceiver cables were still a pain). (Am I correct in recalling it was called the DEQNA?). Youngsters out there should be grateful they don't have to wire their home machines together with thick-wire... ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:48:35 -0800 From: "Glen Slick" <glen.slick at gmail.com> Subject: Re: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <1e1fc3e90801082048v4bc0edb3iedef778f37cb4b91 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Jan 8, 2008 8:11 PM, Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> wrote: DEQNA = Q-bus Ethernet (M7504), replaced by DELQA (M7516) and DESQA (M3127) Maybe you meant DELNI = Digital Ethernet Local Network Interconnect, which had 8 local AUI ports. ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:46:53 -0500 (EST) From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Subject: Re: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <200801090451.XAA07683 at Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In Montreal, in the days before Teh Internet, each of the four universities here was using IP internally, but had no IP connectivity outside themselves. Then DEC, presumably trying to earn some kind of PR brownie points in support of higher education or some such, donated routers and leased lines to tie them together - but the routers were DECnet-only. (I proceeded to use IP/DECnet dual-stack Ultrix machines to turn this DECnet-only infrastructure into an IP transport...I don't know how DEC felt about this nose-thumbing at their attempt to lock us into their proprietary way, but the CRIM treated it as a feature, so it would have been impolitic for DEC to grumble publicly.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Subject: Re: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <200801090454.XAA07715 at Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No. The DEQNA is a Q-bus Ethernet card. (I don't remember DEC's name for their AUI hub, but I know the DEQNA.) Aye. Thicknet was difficult to run and (at least in my exprience) the transceiver/cable connection was horribly finicky. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:22:31 -0800 From: Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> Subject: Re: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: General at priv-edtnaa04.telusplanet.net, "Discussion at priv-edtnaa04.telusplanet.net":On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <47845A18.E9CAB113 at cs.ubc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glen Slick wrote: Thanks for the correction. I think I've heard "DEQNA" in recent years and it was supplanting the memory of "DELNI", which I haven't heard in years. ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:12:07 -0500 From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> Subject: Re: DECnet,SNA vs TCP/IP / was Re: AS/400 a "VAX killer"? To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <478473C7.3010004 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed der Mouse wrote: DELNI? Peace... Sridhar End of cctalk Digest, Vol 53, Issue 17 **************************************