10 Dec
1998
10 Dec
'98
7:17 a.m.
I just checked out the newly-remodeled Salvation Army Thrift Store and
found a nice piece: a new-in-the-box Hewlett-Packard Thinkjet model 2225B
equiped with HP-IL interface. All accessories are there, plastic wrap
still over the machine, battery pack there too. $15 sounded fair enough I
think. I should go back more often. They usually had ancient PeeCee junk in
real tough shape for way too much $$$ whenever I was there before. But now
with the remodel, a new manager and finding this gem maybe I'll keep
checking more often. Besides, they're only about 150 meters from our house:)
This is great as I already have a couple of HP 75's to use it with. Or it
could be used on a PC as I've got an HP-IL-to-HPIB converter and a PC
IEEE488 card.
Anybody have experience with using normal xerographic copy paper instead of
the HP-specified Thinkjet paper? If so, how are the results?
They also had an Epson CX-20 handset coupler for $5 new in the box (plastic
wrap still on the device). Anybody want it for the cost plus shipping? Let
me know ASAP!
Regards, Chris
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
10 Dec
10 Dec
7:28 a.m.
On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Christian Fandt wrote:
I just checked out the newly-remodeled Salvation Army
Thrift Store and
found a nice piece: a new-in-the-box Hewlett-Packard Thinkjet model 2225B
equiped with HP-IL interface. All accessories are there, plastic wrap
still over the machine, battery pack there too. $15 sounded fair enough I
think. I should go back more often. They usually had ancient PeeCee junk in
real tough shape for way too much $$$ whenever I was there before. But now
with the remodel, a new manager and finding this gem maybe I'll keep
checking more often. Besides, they're only about 150 meters from our house:)
This is great as I already have a couple of HP 75's to use it with. Or it
could be used on a PC as I've got an HP-IL-to-HPIB converter and a PC
IEEE488 card.
Anybody have experience with using normal xerographic copy paper instead of
the HP-specified Thinkjet paper? If so, how are the results?
I used to use it in a QuietJet printer - same cartridge. Worked fine!
- don
They also had an Epson CX-20 handset coupler for $5
new in the box (plastic
wrap still on the device). Anybody want it for the cost plus shipping? Let
me know ASAP!
Regards, Chris
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
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10:25 a.m.
New subject: HX20 (was: Re: Just bought this . . .)
Once upon a midnight dreary, Tony Duell had spoken clearly:
I just saw an HX-20 today! I was at a customer's house... he cannot talk
any longer and is wheelchair bound (he was hurt in a motor vehicle
accident). He used the HX-20 to print small notes on the paper-tape printer
(it sounds like a single-line dot-matrix printhead impact printer) and also
has a "Speech-Pak" that looks like it was made just for the Epson and uses
that to "talk" on.
Curiously enough, the text-to-speech capabilities of this machine sound
awfully close to the speech-sound pack I have for my CoCo's... methinks
it's based on the same chipset, as they're roughly the same era.
Another good use that shows "obsolete" doesn't exist if the application
*works*. :-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
They also had
an Epson CX-20 handset coupler for $5 new in the box (plastic
wrap still on the device). Anybody want it for the cost plus shipping? Let
me know ASAP!
IIRC, that's the modem for the HX20. It's a standard RS232 interface, of
course, but if someone here has an HX20 and wants the 'right' modem, then
this could be worth going for. 
10:38 a.m.
New subject: HX20 (was: Re: Just bought this . . .)
On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Roger Merchberger wrote:
Another good use that shows "obsolete"
doesn't exist if the application
*works*. :-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
In a windowy world there are still plenty of applications that do great
work with an 80X24 character (or much less) screen.
George Rachor
11:10 a.m.
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11:35 a.m.
New subject: HX20 (was: Re: Just bought this . . .)
Tony Duell wrote:
The HX20 printer is quite interesting. It's got 4
print solenoids/pins on
a little 'shuttle', spaced 5 characters apart in the same horizontal
line. A motor/scroll cam assembly wobbles this backwards and forwards
across the paper and moves the paper up one dot line for ever complete
movement of the shuttle. The HX20 electronics sends appropriately timed
pulses to the solenoids to put dots on the paper. It is an impact
printer, of course.
The Rockwell AIM-65 printer worked the same way. IIRC, one of the manuals
contained the source code for the monitor ROM, which included the printer
routines.
1:58 p.m.
New subject: HX20 (was: Re: Just bought this . . .)
Tony Duell wrote:
Almost especially in medical technology like in the example given.
My wife (the nurse) specialised in home care of {para|quadra}plegics
and once a patient with limited mobility has learned to use a tool
adequately, it works. Efforts by the "well-meaning" to get that
patient to use something "better" (the "well-meaning" being either
students with research projects or tax-paid "social" workers) have
the drawback of trying to replace skills that were a bitch to
develop in the first place with a new set that would take years --
as many years as learning the skills that work. Of course, the kids
with fresh education and materials have priority over those who've
actually helped people. Most of those kids should be kneecapped and
encouraged to swim the Pacific.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it.
Another good use that shows "obsolete" doesn't exist if the application
*works*. :-)
Of course not. Old tools carry on doing the job they've always done. No
reason to ever upgrade unless you need new functionality.
11 Dec
11 Dec
2:42 p.m.
New subject: HX20 (was: Re: Just bought this . . .)
Once upon a midnight dreary, Ward Donald Griffiths III had spoken clearly:
Almost especially in medical technology like in the
example given.
My wife (the nurse) specialised in home care of {para|quadra}plegics
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You mean you have more than one????? ;^> ;^>
Of course, the kids
with fresh education and materials have priority over those who've
actually helped people. Most of those kids should be kneecapped and
encouraged to swim the Pacific.
Nah, the water's not salty enough, and I've seen people swim with only
their arms..... Unless, of course, they've been kneecapped at the neck.
Personally, I've not seen a setup that could easily take the place of that
HX-20... to try to "upgrade" that poor man would be one of the dumbest
things.... Hell, I can't even *think* about that. <shudder>
"Merch"
10:02 a.m.
On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
It was also supplied for the later PX-8.
- don
I just checked out the newly-remodeled Salvation Army Thrift Store and
found a nice piece: a new-in-the-box Hewlett-Packard Thinkjet model 2225B
equiped with HP-IL interface. All accessories are there, plastic wrap
I picked up the portable parallel model at a radio rally last year.
There's only couple of common faults. The printheads dry up, but they're
replaceable. And the battery packs (I think the HP-IL model is
battery-operated) fail.
The latter happened to mine. What I did was take the pack apart (ignoring
the useless warning on the outside - I have never found battery pack that
is dangerous when you open the plastic case..). There are snaps round the
edges and the cells are stuck to _both_ sections of the case with
double-sided tape.
The cells are 6 off Sub-C NiCd units. You can replace them (take care to
recover the picofuse that's hidden in one of the interconnections) or try
the NiCd 'zapping' trick. Either way it's a lot cheaper than a new
battery pack from HP.
The charger for the portable models is the standard 8V 3VA adapter that
goes with the 75 (and just about every other HP calculator product from
that period).
Anybody have experience with using normal
xerographic copy paper instead of
the HP-specified Thinkjet paper? If so, how are the results?
There are 2 types of printhead. One is designed for any paper, the other
for the special HP paper only. I got a couple of the latter ones cheap,
and I used normal paper.
It works. It works fine. Maybe the quality isn't quite as good, but it's
readable.
They also had an Epson CX-20 handset coupler for $5 new in the box (plastic
wrap still on the device). Anybody want it for the cost plus shipping? Let
me know ASAP!
IIRC, that's the modem for the HX20. It's a standard RS232 interface, of
course, but if someone here has an HX20 and wants the 'right' modem, then
this could be worth going for.
-tony
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10 Dec
11:48 a.m.
Anybody have experience with using normal xerographic
copy paper instead of
the HP-specified Thinkjet paper? If so, how are the results?
If it's the printer I'm thinking of, it's the same one that is part of the
"HP IPC" and is basically the same as the Kodak Diconix. You can get
plain-paper ink cartridges, fairly inexpensivelly. The old ones for the
Diconix were only good for about 100 sheets, not sure about the plain-paper
ones. Warning, don't store the ink cartridge in the printer, you're asking
for trouble.
Zane
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1:06 p.m.
At 17:48 12/10/98 -0800, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Thanks everybody who answered this question. I'll look for a plain paper
cartridge from Office Max or such and try out the printer sometime.
The original cartridge shipped with the unit is still sealed in its
container. The "Use By:" date is Dec 1986. I don't think I'll waste my
time
opening it since there's a possibility it is no good. I'll just keep it
unopened with the printer and packaging as part of its original shipment
and use new ones.
Regards, Chris
-- --
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
Anybody have
experience with using normal xerographic copy paper instead of
the HP-specified Thinkjet paper? If so, how are the results?
If it's the printer I'm thinking of, it's the same one that is part of the
"HP IPC" and is basically the same as the Kodak Diconix. You can get
plain-paper ink cartridges, fairly inexpensivelly. The old ones for the
Diconix were only good for about 100 sheets, not sure about the plain-paper
ones. Warning, don't store the ink cartridge in the printer, you're asking
for trouble. 
1:15 p.m.
New subject: Daisy
My life is complete. I just heard a recording of a 1961 IBM 7094 sing "A
Bicycle Built for Two":
http://www.vortex.com/av.html#DAISY
-- Doug
2:49 p.m.
New subject: Daisy
Doug Yowza wrote:
My life is complete. I just heard a recording of a 1961 IBM 7094 sing "A
Bicycle Built for Two":
http://www.vortex.com/av.html#DAISY
Arthur C. Clarke heard (probably a fresher copy of) that recording
and brought it to the attention of Stanley Kubrick while they were
writing the 2001 screenplay together.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it.
1:35 p.m.
Thanks everybody who answered this question. I'll
look for a plain paper
cartridge from Office Max or such and try out the printer sometime.
The MicroWarehouse catalogue has "Plain Paper" cartridges for $11. It's
Item No. 6339 and HP Ref. 51604A.
The original cartridge shipped with the unit is still
sealed in its
container. The "Use By:" date is Dec 1986. I don't think I'll waste my
time
opening it since there's a possibility it is no good. I'll just keep it
unopened with the printer and packaging as part of its original shipment
and use new ones.
If it's still sealed, I can just about guarentee it's usable. I've used
them several years after they were opened without any problem. The problem
would probably be finding the special paper.
Zane
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
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+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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Subject: Just bought this . . .
They also had an Epson CX-20 handset coupler for $5
new in the box (plastic
wrap still on the device). Anybody want it for the cost plus shipping? Let
me know ASAP!
Regards, Chris
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
Yes, I'm interested if it's still there. Let me know.
Thanks.
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