5 Mar
2002
5 Mar
'02
11:44 a.m.
I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one
point.
Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would
like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home
(on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist
license...)
Does anyone have any idea where to get it?
Chris
First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86
systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS
mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment.
Zane
5 Mar
5 Mar
1:10 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:
First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT
hardware (of course), x86
systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS
mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment.
We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has
been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long.
Doc
1:28 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Doc wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:
What? No. Enlightenment is _not_ OPENSTEP. At best you can think of it
like this:
OPENSTEP == Bentley
Enlightenment == Volkswagen Beetle with a Bentley hood kit
OPENSTEP is the app framework that was arguably the core of NeXT's IP. It
was available for Windows NT, Mach (which made essentially NEXTSTEP 4),
Solaris, and unobtainably HP-UX.
Gnustep is the project that was trying to replicate OPENSTEP in a
gnu-friendly way. It has a loooong way to go, still.
At one point Digital licensed NeXT technologies (just as IBM did) but
never delivered anything.
ok
r.
First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on
NeXT hardware (of course), x86
systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS
mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment.
We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has
been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long.
2:26 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote:
What? No. Enlightenment is _not_ OPENSTEP. At best you
can think of it
like this:
OPENSTEP == Bentley
Enlightenment == Volkswagen Beetle with a Bentley hood kit
ACK! No. We don't do Enlightenment here. I have somewhere the
source to the "OpenSTEP" window manager for FreeBSD. It predates
Enlightenment by a few years. I have no idea where I got it, and as I
still can't get NeXTSTEP 3.1 to install, I don't know how authentic it
is.
Doc
P.S. - Enlightenment == a VW with a Bentley hood kit and a boot full of
lead. Very Pretty lead, but lead nonetheless.
3:14 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Doc wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, r. 'bear' stricklin
wrote:
Are you sure you're not confusing OpenSTEP with GNUSTEP? The GNUSTEP
stuff was an X11 window manager which captured the look and feel of the
NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP desktop. OpenSTEP proper was just the last generation
of NeXTSTEP. The latest release I saw being OpenSTEP 4.2. It ran on
Intel/PC, Sun Sparc, and I think PA-RISC. I believe NeXTSTEP 3.3 was
the last version to support NeXT black hardware. The OpenSTEP name
started with the 4.0 release... by which time NeXT was long dead as a
hardware company. And as someone else pointed out, both of those
products were far more than mere desktops or window managers. They
referred to the entire OS and an amazing Objective-C development
framework.
Today, of course, this is all known as "Mac OS X". Right down to them
using the same goddamned "Bonk" and "Frog" alert sounds from
NeXTSTEP.
Booting OS X for the first time is the most pleasant memory I've had in
maybe my past 5 years of computing.
-brian.
What? No. Enlightenment is _not_ OPENSTEP. At
best you can think of it
like this:
OPENSTEP == Bentley
Enlightenment == Volkswagen Beetle with a Bentley hood kit
ACK! No. We don't do Enlightenment here. I have somewhere the
source to the "OpenSTEP" window manager for FreeBSD. It predates
Enlightenment by a few years. I have no idea where I got it, and as I
still can't get NeXTSTEP 3.1 to install, I don't know how authentic it
is. 
3:43 p.m.
Intel/PC, Sun Sparc, and I think PA-RISC. I believe
NeXTSTEP 3.3 was
the last version to support NeXT black hardware. The OpenSTEP name
Openstep 4.2 still supports the black hardware though most
people I've known running NeXT hardware have been running NS 3.3.
This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware
owners in '99. NS 3.3 definately supported NeXT, Intel, Sparc and
HPPA-RISC.
Jeff
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8:05 p.m.
Jeff Hellige said:
NS 3.3 = i386, HP-PA, Sparc, m68k
OpenStep 4 = i386, m68k (HP-PA, Sparc? At least Sparc)
OpenStep 4 Runtimes were available for Solaris 2.5 and Windows NT. There
used to be a downloadable runtime kit (slightly corrupted) for Solaris on
peanuts.org.
The runtime ran on top of the original OS. If anyone has Sparcs running 2.5
or similar you might want to give it a go.
I just finished installing NS 3.3 on a HP 715/100. It's extremely fast
compared to a 68040@25MHz.
--
jht
Intel/PC, Sun
Sparc, and I think PA-RISC. I believe NeXTSTEP 3.3 was
the last version to support NeXT black hardware. The OpenSTEP name
Openstep 4.2 still supports the black hardware though most
people I've known running NeXT hardware have been running NS 3.3. This
could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware owners in
'99. NS 3.3 definately supported NeXT, Intel, Sparc and HPPA-RISC.
6 Mar
6 Mar
5:27 a.m.
Jarkko Teppo said:
NS 3.3 = i386, HP-PA, Sparc, m68k
OpenStep 4 = i386, m68k (HP-PA, Sparc? At least Sparc)
OpenStep 4 Runtimes were available for Solaris 2.5 and Windows NT. There
used to be a downloadable runtime kit (slightly corrupted) for Solaris on
peanuts.org.
The runtime ran on top of the original OS. If anyone has Sparcs running 2.5
or similar you might want to give it a go.
I just finished installing NS 3.3 on a HP 715/100. It's extremely fast
compared to a 68040@25MHz.
Really? Where might one be able to get this? I'm interested in trying it
out...
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jht
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7:23 a.m.
Dan Wright said:
Jarkko Teppo said:
Well, that depends :-). Anyway, it was a *bit* picky about the hardware, it
didn't like HIL at all (at least not on the installation phase) but I didn't
bother to look for a workaround as I had a few HP PS2 keyboards/mice lying
around.
Otherwise the installation was easy, even sound worked + the usual gizmos.
I even found Doom compiled as NIHS (Next, Intel, HP-PA, Sparc) and an extra
bonus was Cub-X which is now available for free!
--
jht
I just finished installing NS 3.3 on a HP 715/100. It's extremely
fast compared to a 68040@25MHz.
Really? Where might one be able to get this? I'm interested in trying
it out... 
7:51 a.m.
I just finished installing NS 3.3 on a HP 715/100.
It's extremely
fast compared to a 68040@25MHz.
Really? Where might one be able to get this? I'm interested in trying
it out...
8:28 a.m.
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Eric Dittman wrote:
Will it install on a C110?
No.
There are metric tonnes of inaccurate information flying around this
thread. It's too depressing right now to even start to try to straighten
it out. Maybe if the thread blows out soon enough it might be possible to
set the record straight.
ok
r.
9:27 a.m.
Otherwise the installation was easy, even sound worked
+ the usual gizmos.
I even found Doom compiled as NIHS (Next, Intel, HP-PA, Sparc) and an extra
bonus was Cub-X which is now available for free!
I play Doom on my NeXTstation Color. It plays in a small
window but is playable. I guess at the resolutions the OS runs at,
it would've been hard to run Doom fullscreen. The docs suggest that
the Dimension board isn't fast enough at it's color depth to be
playable at all.
Jeff
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9:23 p.m.
Jeff Hellige said:
I play Doom on my NeXTstation Color. It plays in a
small
window but is playable. I guess at the resolutions the OS runs at, it
would've been hard to run Doom fullscreen. The docs suggest that the
Dimension board isn't fast enough at it's color depth to be
playable at all.
You can increase the windows size with some commandline flags, though I
can't remember what they were. It'll kill the speed though.
And if I had a Dimension board I really wouldn't care about playing doom at
all :-)
Here in Vaasa we have probably 70% to 80% of all the NeXTs in Finland. My
local friendly computer salesman has one Dimension board but he ain't
selling it. He's also got some other fancy gear like that Sun 2 I've been
lusting after. One of the few rare computer shops where you can still buy
20MB MFM disks and other spares for older machines. Most of the places just
junk them.
--
jht
4:57 a.m.
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:43:31PM -0500, Jeff Hellige wrote:
[snip]
This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to
NeXT hardware
owners in '99.
You happen to have any idea how this was done? Public FTP, shipped CDs
or some other form? I'm looking for a NeXTstep release; vendors only
seem to ship OpenStep these days (if at all; it's been a while since
I contacted one).
--
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- Part of an RFC 1876-compliant network.
5 Mar
5 Mar
3:57 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Brian Chase wrote:
Are you sure you're not confusing OpenSTEP with GNUSTEP? The GNUSTEP
Actually, I was confusing OpenSTEP with the NeXTSTEP GUI. I thought
it was just NeXT's desktop.
But now I gotta go look through my Linux source archives, because I'm
near certain that what I have is an X11 window manager named OpenSTEP.
I've used GNUSTEP, AfterSTEP, and their nephew WindowMaker. All cool,
but not what I was referring to.
Doc
4:44 p.m.
Actually, I was confusing OpenSTEP with the NeXTSTEP
GUI. I thought
it was just NeXT's desktop.
But now I gotta go look through my Linux source archives, because I'm
near certain that what I have is an X11 window manager named OpenSTEP.
I've used GNUSTEP, AfterSTEP, and their nephew WindowMaker. All cool,
but not what I was referring to.
Doc
One thing to remember is that the NeXTStep, OPENSTEP GUI is not X-Windows.
They had their own windowing system. My guess is that you're thinking about
an old version of AfterStep. For years I ran a beta version of AfterStep on
AIX, and had it looking identical to NeXTStep.
Zane
8:23 p.m.
Isn't that AfterStep, rather than OPENSTEP?
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Doc wrote:
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:10:00 -0600 (CST)
From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OpenSTEP for VMS
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:
First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on
NeXT hardware (of course), x86
systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS
mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment.
We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has
been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long.
Doc
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