Oh, I agree... there are a number of different PDS slots for the Mac. I was just saying that generally speaking, if you see an item sold saying it is a "PDS" card, and nothing more... it *usually* means it is for the LC PDS, which is the PDS style found in/compatible with most of the macs that have a PDS slot. But like I said, if you are buying a PDS card for your mac... it is always best to make sure it will work with the style PDS you have... and not just assume that PDS means ALL PDS, or that unlabled PDS means LC PDS. I mean heck, off the top of my head, I can think of 7 different PDS slot styles. LC, LC3, SE, SE30, IIsi, 040, and PPC. And that doesn't count what might be odd PDS styles like the IIci Cache slot (I suspect other machines are like that as well, like the PM 6500 that the G3 upgrade fits in the Cache slot). And there may be more (this is just off the cuff). To add to confusion, some of these are compatible with each other (like LC/LC3, and SE30/IIsi), and then things like the 040 and PPC have almost no cards that work nativly with them, but rather expect an adaptor card to connect to the mobo slot. Yeah... Mac PDS is a fun world. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>