30 Apr
2002
30 Apr
'02
11:33 a.m.
Apple Computer Co. always impressed me as being
entirely too willing to compromise the quality of MY hardware/software, and
the security of my data, in favor of their profits.
WOAH?!? That's just a shot from the dark... Apple is known for how good
their quality IS... sure they had a few flops, but most of their hardware
is built well, and built to last. And security? Um... compared to what?
Windows? BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!!
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
30 Apr
30 Apr
11:57 a.m.
We'd best just agree to disagree about Apple Computer Co product quality.
My position is based on what I saw in '81-'82 with then ][ and ][+, where 10
complete data losses per hour were the rule rather than the exception. I
remember watching a client's hired hand reboot and retype six times in the
course of a single phone call (on the customer's dime, so that wasn't good
either) culminating in the loss of the customer, not to mention the loss of
the order. It may not be that bad any longer, but I'm operating on the
"once-bitten-twice-shy" principle. At that time, my partner and I were in the
retail business, and wherever we saw an Apple, we made a sale, no exceptions.
My experience with the MACs was limited to what was then "leading edge"
implementations, which often led to trouble. I imagine the problems were
resolved, but I didn't get to see that. Consequently, the bad taste lingers.
I am quite impressed with the seamlessness of the integration of the MAC
stuff, but since it's all from Apple, you'd expect nothing less.
One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the
Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT servers. I
know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace, but I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs install
an ethernet interface.
What do you know about that?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <mythtech(a)mac.com>
To: "Classic Computers" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor
Apple Computer
Co. always impressed me as being
entirely too willing to compromise the quality of MY hardware/software, and
the security of my data, in favor of their profits.
WOAH?!? That's just a shot from the dark... Apple is known for how good
their quality IS... sure they had a few flops, but most of their hardware
is built well, and built to last. And security? Um... compared to what?
Windows? BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!!
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
12:37 p.m.
One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an
old MAC to talk on the
Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT servers. I
know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace, but I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install an ethernet interface.
Well, I've always installed an Ethernet interface in my Macs by putting the
card inside the case and turning it on.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. My 7300 Power Mac speaks TCP/IP just
fine, and it has a regular 10baseT Ethernet port. It cooperates just fine
in a mixed network.
Plus, there are *many* Ethernet-capable Macs, even if it's just an AAUI
that needs a transceiver.
If you mean *AppleTalk* issues, many NT servers speak AppleTalk too, and OS
X.1 mounts NT shares natively as well as NFS, AppleTalk-over-IP and regular
classic AppleTalk.
--
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Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
-- Do you think I could buy back my introduction to you? -- Groucho Marx ------
2:55 p.m.
I don't remember seeing any slots for "cards" of any sort when I had the
box
open. Of course that was last Thanksgiving. I just discarded a MAC (Nubus)
ethernet card. I figured I'd come to regret it, though I'm not sure it would
have made any difference. That was from a IIx from which I wanted to try the
PSU. There wasn't anything else of value inside, so it's gone, aside from a
few socketed IC's and the video card, which, I think, is a pretty typical MAC
video board.
This AppleVision monitor/speaker arrangement is pretty impressive. It uses
every bit of the visible screen area and the linearity is pretty good, as is
the focus and convergence. I'd like to wish it will stay that way for a
while. It's turned up all the way in brightness, though, and I dont like
that.
More questions below.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor
It's a serious security problem to use TCP/IP on a lan if one has an internet
connection. My LAN uses Netbeui and IPX/SPX. There's got to be a way ...
> One thing that I've wondered is how one gets
an old MAC to talk on the
> Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
servers. I
know Netware
has a provision for MAC namespace, but I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install an ethernet interface.
Well, I've always installed an Ethernet interface in my Macs by putting the
card inside the case and turning it on.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. My 7300 Power Mac speaks TCP/IP just
fine, and it has a regular 10baseT Ethernet port. It cooperates just fine
in a mixed network.
Plus, there are *many* Ethernet-capable Macs, even if it's just an AAUI
that needs a transceiver.
If you mean *AppleTalk* issues, many NT servers speak AppleTalk too, and OS
X.1 mounts NT shares natively as well as NFS, AppleTalk-over-IP and regular
classic AppleTalk.
Is there a "slick" way to exploit hardware that's already in the
Performa
630CD?
--
----------------------------- personal page:
http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --
Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University *
ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
-- Do you think I could buy back my introduction to
you? -- Groucho
Marx ------
1:07 p.m.
FWIW, most Macs since the Centris/Quadra 650 (1994?) have had on-board
ethernet. Unlike the competing product, it's pretty much plug and PLAY.
As the early iMac commercial said:
Three steps to get on the internet.
Step 1. Plug it in. (scene shows power cord being plugged in)
Step 2. Get connected. (scene shows RJ-11 plug being plugged in)
Step 3. There is no step three!!! There *is* no step three.
It's really about that easy.
With my systems, I run the wire to the hub, select "connect via
ethernet" in Remote Access and configure the TCP/IP control panel to
either use DHCP or manually enter the necessary IP numbers. Takes all of
three minutes. Much less time than it takes a winbox to find and load
the NIC card drivers with its so-called Wizard.
With Novell, just load and configure the Netware Client for Mac. It's a
much longer process, but what can one expect from Novell...
Jim
Richard Erlacher wrote:
We'd best just agree to disagree about Apple Computer Co product quality.
My position is based on what I saw in '81-'82 with then ][ and ][+, where 10
complete data losses per hour were the rule rather than the exception. I
remember watching a client's hired hand reboot and retype six times in the
course of a single phone call (on the customer's dime, so that wasn't good
either) culminating in the loss of the customer, not to mention the loss of
the order. It may not be that bad any longer, but I'm operating on the
"once-bitten-twice-shy" principle. At that time, my partner and I were in the
retail business, and wherever we saw an Apple, we made a sale, no exceptions.
My experience with the MACs was limited to what was then "leading edge"
implementations, which often led to trouble. I imagine the problems were
resolved, but I didn't get to see that. Consequently, the bad taste lingers.
I am quite impressed with the seamlessness of the integration of the MAC
stuff, but since it's all from Apple, you'd expect nothing less.
One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the
Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT servers. I
know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace, but I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs install
an ethernet interface.
What do you know about that?
Dick
3:08 p.m.
I can tolerate a lengthy install, I guess. Goodness knows, I sat through a
couple or three installs of OS/2, and that was in '93 or so, when it took all
day.
Maybe I should have snagged that Quadra 650. . .
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Arnott" <jrasite(a)eoni.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor
FWIW, most Macs since the Centris/Quadra 650 (1994?)
have had on-board
ethernet. Unlike the competing product, it's pretty much plug and PLAY.
As the early iMac commercial said:
Three steps to get on the internet.
Step 1. Plug it in. (scene shows power cord being plugged in)
Step 2. Get connected. (scene shows RJ-11 plug being plugged in)
Step 3. There is no step three!!! There *is* no step three.
It's really about that easy.
With my systems, I run the wire to the hub, select "connect via
ethernet" in Remote Access and configure the TCP/IP control panel to
either use DHCP or manually enter the necessary IP numbers. Takes all of
three minutes. Much less time than it takes a winbox to find and load
the NIC card drivers with its so-called Wizard.
With Novell, just load and configure the Netware Client for Mac. It's a
much longer process, but what can one expect from Novell...
Jim
Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> We'd best just agree to disagree about Apple Computer Co product quality.
>
> My position is based on what I saw in '81-'82 with then ][ and ][+, where
10
> complete data losses per hour were the rule
rather than the exception. I
> remember watching a client's hired hand reboot and retype six times in the
> course of a single phone call (on the customer's dime, so that wasn't good
> either) culminating in the loss of the customer, not to mention the loss
of
> the order. It may not be that bad any longer,
but I'm operating on the
> "once-bitten-twice-shy" principle. At that time, my partner and I were in
the
> retail business, and wherever we saw an Apple, we
made a sale, no
exceptions.
>
> My experience with the MACs was limited to what was then "leading edge"
> implementations, which often led to trouble. I imagine the problems were
> resolved, but I didn't get to see that. Consequently, the bad taste
lingers.
>
> I am quite impressed with the seamlessness of the integration of the MAC
> stuff, but since it's all from Apple, you'd expect nothing less.
>
> One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the
> Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
servers. I
> know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace,
but I've only seen one
> ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install
an ethernet
interface.
What do you know about that?
Dick
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