25 Apr
2009
25 Apr
'09
4:44 p.m.
Subject: RE: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
From: "Andrew Lynch" <lynchaj at yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:20:28 -0400
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
We'll see what Steve has to say about it. I think he has those books for
sale, doesn't he?
I used to have my secretary xerox his columns (no, I didn't cut out of my
Byte magazines, though that collection has long since been deep-sixed) but I
don't know whether I still have those copies - probably "somewhere" but
I'll
be damned if I know where that "somewhere" is.
I've built a number of Steve's projects. In my workshop a few days ago I saw
his EEG project waiting to be revived.
But there is so much to do....
Vern Wright
-----REPLY-----
Hi! Steve and Sean generously released BYOZ80C to allow online publishing.
I very much enjoyed his book and commend him for both writing it in the
first place and also releasing it so as to help keep the home brew computing
tradition alive.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13388965/Build-Your-Own-Z80-Computer
You can see the full description of the release statement on the first page.
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it. Sites like this have a habit of disappearing and
taking the content with it. Far too much stuff has gone lost over the
years.
Allison
26 Apr
26 Apr
11:07 a.m.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Allison <ajp166 at bellatlantic.net> wrote:
I had no problem with a Mac and Firefox getting a PDF to download.
Hi! ?Steve and
Sean generously released BYOZ80C to allow online publishing.
I very much enjoyed his book and commend him for both writing it in the
first place and also releasing it so as to help keep the home brew computing
tradition alive.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13388965/Build-Your-Own-Z80-Computer
Also a most useless site. ?Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it. Sites like this have a habit of disappearing and
taking the content with it. Far too much stuff has gone lost over the
years.
Too true.
-ethan
11:28 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
If you know where it WAS, you can often find it at the Internet Archive:
http://www.archive.org/index.php
Warren
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Allison <ajp166 at
bellatlantic.net> wrote:
I had no problem with a Mac and Firefox getting a PDF to download.
Likewise with Linux and Windows XP.
Hi!
Steve and Sean generously released BYOZ80C to allow online publishing.
I very much enjoyed his book and commend him for both writing it in the
first place and also releasing it so as to help keep the home brew computing
tradition alive.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13388965/Build-Your-Own-Z80-Computer
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Sites like
this have a habit of disappearing and
taking the content with it. Far too much stuff has gone lost over the
years.
Too true.
11:33 a.m.
Hi! Steve and
Sean generously released BYOZ80C to allow online publishing.
I very much enjoyed his book and commend him for both writing it in the
first place and also releasing it so as to help keep the home brew
computing
tradition alive.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13388965/Build-Your-Own-Z80-Computer
Also a most useless
site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Sites like this have a habit of disappearing and
taking the content with it. Far too much stuff has gone lost over the
years. 
11:21 p.m.
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Worked perectly here.
Lance
28 Apr
28 Apr
9:09 a.m.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Lance Lyon wrote:
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu, i386 Ubuntu and IE6
under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are nonresponsive on all
platforms.
Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings required to
actually get my hands on the PDF?
Steve
--
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Worked perectly here. 
12:40 p.m.
Steven Hirsch wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Lance Lyon wrote:
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu, i386 Ubuntu and
IE6 under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are nonresponsive
on all platforms.
Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings required to
actually get my hands on the PDF?
Steve
Make sure that popups aren't blocked, and that NoScript allows
www.scribd.com & quantserv.com, you will also need to set up a free
account with the server. I had no trouble downloading with OS-X 10.5.6 &
Firefox 3.0.8
John :-#)#
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Worked perectly here.
6:05 p.m.
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, John Robertson wrote:
Steven Hirsch wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Lance Lyon wrote:
>
>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/13388965/Build-Your-Own-Z80-Computer
>>>
>>> Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
>>> it plain doesnt do it.
>>
>> Worked perectly here.
>
> Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu, i386 Ubuntu and IE6
> under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are nonresponsive on all
> platforms.
>
> Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings required to
> actually get my hands on the PDF?
>
> Steve
>
>
Make sure that popups aren't blocked,
They are not
and that NoScript allows
What is "NoScript"? Never heard of it.
www.scribd.com & quantserv.com, you will also need
to set up a free
account with the server. I had no trouble downloading with OS-X 10.5.6 &
Firefox 3.0.8
Ok, finally got it.
- Nowhere, but nowhere does it say you cannot download without an account.
Didn't even turn this tidbit up on a Google search.
- Firefox 3.0 on Ubuntu Hardy x86_64 does not work at all. No response to
the download button.
- In desperation, I fired up IE6 in a VMware XP session and that finally
cooperated.
I love standards, everybody needs their own.
Thanks for the tips, all!
Steve
--
8:02 a.m.
Steven Hirsch wrote:
http://noscript.net/
It's an extension to Firefox that doesn't allow any javascript, flash or
other nasties to execute without your permission. I use it and it works
very well.
Barry
and that
NoScript allows
What is "NoScript"? Never heard of it. 
28 Apr
28 Apr
12:43 p.m.
Steven Hirsch wrote:
...
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu,
i386 Ubuntu and IE6
under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are nonresponsive on
all platforms.
IE6 XP worked for me -- well, I get to the "sign in or sign up" screen
that is required before downloading, and I don't care to.
FF3 under XP worked as well.
One thing to note -- the control to download wasn't live until the
entire document appeared to have streamed to completion. When you load
the page do you see a progress bar showing the streaming of the document?
Back in 1985, just after graduating college, I bought this book and I
started drawing up my own plans for making my own Z80 computer. The
book didn't really have any information that I didn't already know, but
it still served as a catalyst to do something instead of just thinking
about it.
A few days into my design, I noticed that a 68000 cost about $15, which
admittedly was 10x the cost of a Z80, but the difference was mice nuts
in absolute terms. So I built a 68K machine instead.
Although I never did anything with the computer once I had developed the
monitor, it was probably responsible for me getting my next job.
1:24 p.m.
Jim Battle wrote:
IE6 XP worked for me -- well, I get to the "sign
in or sign up" screen
that is required before downloading, and I don't care to.
If you dislike
registering because you don't wish to receive junk emails
you can create an account using a mailinator address.
{anything}(a)mailinator.com can be used as a junk sink.
When they email the URL to follow to let you in, go pick it up from
mailinator and don't bother with it again.
You can always try bugmenot for a common login:
http://www.bugmenot.com/view/scribd.com
Yes, jumping through hoops to get at a file you want is annoying. But
there are ways around it.
1:03 p.m.
I don't have a magic decoder ring - my Captain Midnight decoder got lost about 55
years ago :<
But I have an account on scribd. So I logged in; it's a little slow but be patient.
(BTW, configuration is Windoze x64, Firefox 3.01, Comodo firewall.) Logged in, push the
download button above the panel showing the cover of the book. This leads you to the only
option I saw - Acrobat .pdf. Click on that and it opens the book in Acrobat Reader (the
way my Firefox is set up - it can also be set up NOT to open in Acrobat Reader - which is
a change I intend to make, as Acrobat is as hole-ful as Word).
Anyway, with it open in Acrobat, just save a copy (it's numbers, I renamed it to the
title of the book and put it in another subdirectory than the Windoze My Documents).
Yes, I think it ought to be put on Bitsavers; I doubt Steve would have any objection, I
didn't get the feeling that he released it ONLY to scribdb.
I think highly of scribdb as a useful site. But I haven't tried it on an ordinary XP,
or NT, or Linux - just haven't had the occasion to.
Vern Wright
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:09 AM
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Lance Lyon wrote:
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu, i386
Ubuntu and IE6 under Windows XP. In fact, most of the
controls are nonresponsive on all platforms.
Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings
required to actually get my hands on the PDF?
Steve
--
>>
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13388965/Build-Your-Own-Z80-Computer
>
> Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of
down loadable document
it plain
doesnt do it.
Worked perectly here. 
1:44 p.m.
If you've got a scribd account, try the following link instead:
http://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/13388965?extension=pdf&secret
_password=
Believe it or not, I actually got the document downloaded using the
OffByOne browser--about as brain-dead a browser as one can find
nowadays. I had to change the extension of the saved file from .htm
to .pdf, but it worked just fine.
--Chuck
2:07 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vernon Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:03 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
Yes, I think it ought to be put on Bitsavers; I doubt Steve would have
any objection, I didn't get the feeling that he released it ONLY to
scribdb.
Respectfully, feelings and opinions don't translate into copyright law.
IANAL, but I will suggest one reason Ciarcia might have allowed scribdb to host his
publications. I note that scribdb is a site heavy in advertising. Supposedly
"free" objects are often actually generating revenue - for someone - through
such advertising. So it may be that this is a business venture - and a perfectly
legitimate one that I am not criticizing - and that Ciarcia really WOULD object to these
volumes being posted on a purely non-profit, public-service site (thanks, Al!).
If someone is really interested in seeing these hosted somewhere else, my suggestion would
be to ASK THE AUTHOR. Speculating on this list is not a substitute. -- Ian
4:30 p.m.
To: General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
Yes, I think it ought to be put on Bitsavers; I doubt
Steve would have
any objection, I didn't get the feeling that
he
released it ONLY to
scribdb.
Respectfully, feelings and opinions don't translate
into copyright law. IANAL, but I will suggest one reason
Ciarcia might have allowed scribdb to host his publications.
I note that scribdb is a site heavy in advertising.
Supposedly "free" objects are often actually
generating revenue - for someone - through such advertising.
So it may be that this is a business venture - and a
perfectly legitimate one that I am not criticizing - and
that Ciarcia really WOULD object to these volumes being
posted on a purely non-profit, public-service site (thanks,
Al!). If someone is really interested in seeing these
hosted
somewhere else, my suggestion would be to ASK THE AUTHOR.
Speculating on this list is not a substitute. -- Ian
I have to agree...though I believe that Steve would not object, there is nothing better
than asking him.
Though I got the idea that Bitsavers would prefer NOT to host this volume. And by now
there must be so many copies floating among us that I should think that it will eventually
be hosted by someone with a classic computer website.
Vern Wright
1:06 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Hirsch" <snhirsch at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Lance Lyon wrote:
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu, i386 Ubuntu and IE6
under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are nonresponsive on all
platforms.
Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings required to
actually get my hands on the PDF?
Steve
--
Running Firefox 3.09 under XP-MCE here. Just above and to the right of the
"1/206" page indicator is a button labeled "Download". I just
left-clicked
that, then in the box it popped up I left-clicked the "Adobe acrobat (.pdf)"
link. This brought it up in a "pdf-viewer" web page. Clicking the
"floppy"
symbol on that page I was able to save it to my desktop. It saved it as the
13388965.pdf file. I just did it again to be sure this sequence works. The
file is about 12.4MB.
Hope this helps.
Charlie Carothers
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Worked perectly here. 
1:17 p.m.
Steven Hirsch wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Lance Lyon wrote:
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu, i386 Ubuntu and IE6
under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are nonresponsive on
all platforms.
Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings required to
actually get my hands on the PDF?
Do you have Flash installed?
Peace... Sridhar
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Worked perectly here. 
1:33 p.m.
On Tuesday 28 April 2009, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Steven Hirsch wrote:
As Gordon noted, Flash is actually the problem... firefox (at least
everywhere I've ever used it, which I guess is mostly just Debian)
draws pop-up menus on pages behind plugins (flash, or otherwise).
Pat
--
Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64
Ubuntu, i386 Ubuntu
and IE6 under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are
nonresponsive on all platforms.
Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings required
to actually get my hands on the PDF?
Do you have Flash installed? 
2:31 p.m.
And this is what you do....
1. Register for the site.
2. Select the document and click download
3. Select the pdf option
4. Sit and wait.. (Watch the network activity not your screen)
5. It gets downloaded into your pdf reader (acrobat)
6. Save the pdf document as normal
7. And there you have it!
Regards
Rod Smallwood
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch
Sent: 28 April 2009 14:10
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Lance Lyon wrote:
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu, i386 Ubuntu and IE6
under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are nonresponsive on all
platforms.
Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings required to
actually get my hands on the PDF?
Steve
--
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Worked perectly here. 
2:42 p.m.
I just right-click on the pdf link and select save as. This way I don't have
wait for the entire file to load before I save it.
- Erik E. Olson
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:32 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only'
Subject: RE: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
And this is what you do....
1. Register for the site.
2. Select the document and click download
3. Select the pdf option
4. Sit and wait.. (Watch the network activity not your screen)
5. It gets downloaded into your pdf reader (acrobat)
6. Save the pdf document as normal
7. And there you have it!
Regards
Rod Smallwood
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch
Sent: 28 April 2009 14:10
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Lance Lyon wrote:
Download link dead on Firefox 3 under x86_64 Ubuntu, i386 Ubuntu and IE6
under Windows XP. In fact, most of the controls are nonresponsive on all
platforms.
Would anyone care to share the magic decoder ring settings required to
actually get my hands on the PDF?
Steve
--
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it.
Worked perectly here.
1:43 a.m.
I just downloaded it with no problem
And this is what you do....
1. Register for the site.
2. Select the document and click download
3. Select the pdf option
4. Sit and wait.. (Watch the network activity not your screen)
5. It gets downloaded into your pdf reader (acrobat)
6. Save the pdf document as normal
7. And there you have it!
Regards
Rod Smallwood
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Allison
Sent: 25 April 2009 21:45
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
Subject: RE: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar
From: "Andrew Lynch" <lynchaj at yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:20:28 -0400
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
We'll see what Steve has to say about it. I think he has those books for
sale, doesn't he?
I used to have my secretary xerox his columns (no, I didn't cut out of my
Byte magazines, though that collection has long since been deep-sixed) but
I
don't know whether I still have those copies -
probably "somewhere" but
I'll
be damned if I know where that "somewhere"
is.
I've built a number of Steve's projects. In my workshop a few days ago I
saw
his EEG project waiting to be revived.
But there is so much to do....
Vern Wright
-----REPLY-----
Hi! Steve and Sean generously released BYOZ80C to allow online publishing.
I very much enjoyed his book and commend him for both writing it in the
first place and also releasing it so as to help keep the home brew
computing
tradition alive.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13388965/Build-Your-Own-Z80-Computer
You can see the full description of the release statement on the first
page.
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
Also a most useless site. Despite all claims of down loadable document
it plain doesnt do it. Sites like this have a habit of disappearing and
taking the content with it. Far too much stuff has gone lost over the
years.
Allison
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