Yepper ...sure... I know that... But.... we need the physical artifact or at lest the box and a real manual to lay in the display. remember 90 percent of what I have to do here is for .... the visual! thnx Ed# In a message dated 3/20/2017 2:55:35 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de writes: On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, Ed wrote: Look at the obvious hpmuseum.net site, it's there. Christian