Ok... that makes sense, I am sure they ended up in the drawer after the tapes were used. I don't think I have any tapes left, I think they all got pitched with the Zebra (I recall them being in a white plastic clip on case). The rings would have too had I known they were there (yep... that's right, no one has opened this desk in something like 15 years... I found a VERY old Half & Half creamer in a drawer... the stuff inside appears to have turned into some goo like substance... I plan to open it later to see... the gross nature of it has gotten the better of me) I think the orange style ones are all claimed but I have 27 of the yellow ones if you want them. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>