20 May
2018
20 May
'18
7:31 p.m.
For a while I have collected bits of legacy CAD, most recently Martin Hepperle sent me
what I believe is the last version of Hank Christianson's MOVIE.BYU, a FORTRAN based
3D modeling and animation system.
I also have experimented with the original Berkley SPICE, also written in FORTRAN.
This weekend, I am reading "the Engineering Design Revolution", a 650 page
history of the CAD industry by David Weisberg, who was there and worked for many of the
companies in the beginning of the industry, I highly recommend this for anyone interested
in CAD:
www.cadhistory.net<http://www.cadhistory.net>
The Engineering Design Revolution<http://www.cadhistory.net/>
www.cadhistory.net
The Engineering Design Revolution. The People, Companies and Computer Systems That Changed
Forever the Practice of Engineering. By. David E. Weisberg
My question is, did any of the source code for these systems, Applicon, Auto-Trol, Calma,
ComputerVision, thousands of lines of primarily FORTRAN ever make it out, where we could
read and study this original body of mathematical geometry done on computers?
I know we are primarily a hardware group here, but where is the interest in the software
discussed?
Randy
20 May
20 May
7:34 p.m.
prolly hiding in closets of architecutre offices enineerin frims
On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
For a while I have collected bits of legacy CAD, most
recently Martin
Hepperle sent me what I believe is the last version of Hank Christianson's
MOVIE.BYU, a FORTRAN based 3D modeling and animation system.
I also have experimented with the original Berkley SPICE, also written in
FORTRAN.
This weekend, I am reading "the Engineering Design Revolution", a 650 page
history of the CAD industry by David Weisberg, who was there and worked for
many of the companies in the beginning of the industry, I highly recommend
this for anyone interested in CAD:
www.cadhistory.net<http://www.cadhistory.net>
The Engineering Design Revolution<http://www.cadhistory.net/>
www.cadhistory.net
The Engineering Design Revolution. The People, Companies and Computer
Systems That Changed Forever the Practice of Engineering. By. David E.
Weisberg
My question is, did any of the source code for these systems, Applicon,
Auto-Trol, Calma, ComputerVision, thousands of lines of primarily FORTRAN
ever make it out, where we could read and study this original body of
mathematical geometry done on computers?
I know we are primarily a hardware group here, but where is the interest
in the software discussed?
Randy
22 May
22 May
7:31 a.m.
On 5/20/2018 9:31 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
For a while I have collected bits of legacy CAD, most
recently Martin Hepperle sent me what I believe is the last version of Hank
Christianson's MOVIE.BYU, a FORTRAN based 3D modeling and animation system.
I also have experimented with the original Berkley SPICE, also written in FORTRAN.
This weekend, I am reading "the Engineering Design Revolution", a 650 page
history of the CAD industry by David Weisberg, who was there and worked for many of the
companies in the beginning of the industry, I highly recommend this for anyone interested
in CAD:
www.cadhistory.net<http://www.cadhistory.net>
The Engineering Design Revolution<http://www.cadhistory.net/>
www.cadhistory.net
The Engineering Design Revolution. The People, Companies and Computer Systems That
Changed Forever the Practice of Engineering. By. David E. Weisberg
My question is, did any of the source code for these systems, Applicon, Auto-Trol, Calma,
ComputerVision, thousands of lines of primarily FORTRAN ever make it out, where we could
read and study this original body of mathematical geometry done on computers?
I know we are primarily a hardware group here, but where is the interest in the software
discussed?
Randy
You can add Intergraph to that list, as well (their IGDS CAD software is
survived bw www.bentley.com - a company that produced a PC version of
Intergraph's IGDS, and which almost got sued out of existence, forced to
merge, and then finally separated and survived). [The Wiki on
MicroStation indicates that MicroStation was initially sold by
Intergraph. That is not correct: it was initially a completely separate
company, and sold the software directly]. Intergraph itself is nothing
but a shell.
I still have an Intergraph IP2000 workstation (with software loaded),
install media (but not license keys to load it) and Intergraph disk
controllers, high speed concentrators (pre-Ethernet) and ethernet
controllers.
No source code, though.
JRJ
3:18 p.m.
At 09:31 AM 5/22/2018, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
I still have an Intergraph IP2000 workstation (with
software loaded),
install media (but not license keys to load it) and Intergraph disk
controllers, high speed concentrators (pre-Ethernet) and ethernet
controllers.
Did you get that from Nicolet or ETC? I think I was once offered
a workstation like that but I forget which Madison friend offered it.
- John
8:53 p.m.
On 5/22/2018 5:18 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
At 09:31 AM 5/22/2018, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
Neither. Wisconsin DOT, Superior office (if I recall correctly), via
State of Wisconsin surplus. Two huge screens along with, but I only
have one hooked up. Haven't run it in years, though.
I still have an Intergraph IP2000 workstation
(with software loaded),
install media (but not license keys to load it) and Intergraph disk
controllers, high speed concentrators (pre-Ethernet) and ethernet
controllers.
Did you get that from Nicolet or ETC? I think I was once offered
a workstation like that but I forget which Madison friend offered it.
- John
4:37 p.m.
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 02:31:58AM +0000, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
[...]
www.cadhistory.net<http://www.cadhistory.net>
The Engineering Design Revolution<http://www.cadhistory.net/>
www.cadhistory.net
The Engineering Design Revolution. The People, Companies and
Computer Systems That Changed Forever the Practice of
Engineering. By. David E. Weisberg
Looks interesting. Thanks a lot for bringing this up.
My question is, did any of the source code for these
systems,
Applicon, Auto-Trol, Calma, ComputerVision, thousands of lines of
primarily FORTRAN ever make it out, where we could read and study
this original body of mathematical geometry done on computers?
I suspect you already know, but just to be sure:
"The BRL-CAD source code repository is the oldest known public
version-controlled codebase in the world that's still under active
development, dating back to 1983-12-16 00:10:31."
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD ]
I could not verify this claim, because I could not load SourceForge
page before my patience ran out (thank you, Javascript, I guess).
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
5:44 p.m.
As I clean out if I run across the nine track mag tape of TekCADand
mechanical 2D CAD package you can have it. It is source code of 80 column
cards of Fortran IV.
On Tue, May 22, 2018, 4:37 PM Tomasz Rola via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 02:31:58AM +0000, Randy Dawson
via cctalk wrote:
[...]
www.cadhistory.net<http://www.cadhistory.net>
The Engineering Design Revolution<http://www.cadhistory.net/>
www.cadhistory.net
The Engineering Design Revolution. The People, Companies and
Computer Systems That Changed Forever the Practice of
Engineering. By. David E. Weisberg
Looks interesting. Thanks a lot for bringing this up.
My question is, did any of the source code for
these systems,
Applicon, Auto-Trol, Calma, ComputerVision, thousands of lines of
primarily FORTRAN ever make it out, where we could read and study
this original body of mathematical geometry done on computers?
I suspect you already know, but just to be sure:
"The BRL-CAD source code repository is the oldest known public
version-controlled codebase in the world that's still under active
development, dating back to 1983-12-16 00:10:31."
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD ]
I could not verify this claim, because I could not load SourceForge
page before my patience ran out (thank you, Javascript, I guess).
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
23 May
23 May
8:01 a.m.
At 09:31 PM 5/20/2018, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
For a while I have collected bits of legacy CAD, most
recently
Martin Hepperle sent me what I believe is the last version of
Hank Christianson's MOVIE.BYU, a FORTRAN based 3D modeling and animation system.
I supported MovieBYU 3D object import/export in my 3D conversion tool,
InterChange. Although it didn't have any commercial appeal, it did
impress the BYU grads at Viewpoint Datalabs.
I look forward to seeing more emulated and virtual machine recreations
of old software situations. You should be able to run an old environment
easily on a desktop or even in a web browser. I think they're educational
for students of today and tomorrow.
Is that MovieBYU code on the web somewhere?
At 06:37 PM 5/22/2018, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
"The BRL-CAD source code repository is the
oldest known public
version-controlled codebase in the world that's still under active
development, dating back to 1983-12-16 00:10:31."
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD ]
I could not verify this claim, because I could not load SourceForge
page before my patience ran out (thank you, Javascript, I guess).
I remember ordering BRL-CAD source and manuals, perhaps directly
from them in the late 1980s. It was massive even back
then.
- John
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