You have a point, but just because it isn't _my_ idea of fun to watch an hourglass cursor spin, set through a boring install procedure every couple of weeks to coax the machine into performing better, all the while spending more money on hardware and software "necessities" that fix bugs in the system the should have never appeared, and worrying about my email client transferring "viri" around... Well, that doesn't mean that it's not somebody else's idea of fun. It obviously must be; just look at the healthy user base they've got. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '