30 Jun
2001
30 Jun
'01
3:10 a.m.
Well I just picked up a car load of stuff. Manuals, disks
and paper tapes, a VT100 terminal and 2 8" floppy drives.
I left 4 RL05 drives, 2 racks and card cages behind for
another trip.
The 2 racks are not quite the same size but I didn't think
that they'd tie to the roof of the Toyota.
So I'll get a mover to haul the rest.
In one of the boxes was what looks like a pair of electric
pencils?
Anyone in the Ottawa area interested in helping assemble
these?
How much of this do I need to get the system working, ie.
can I put the a card cage and a drive in a smaller rack that
will fit in the basement?
30 Jun
30 Jun
4:05 a.m.
Well I just picked up a car load of stuff. Manuals,
disks
and paper tapes, a VT100 terminal and 2 8" floppy drives.
I left 4 RL05 drives, 2 racks and card cages behind for
another trip.
Are those RK05 or RL01 or RL02 drives?
How much of this do I need to get the system working,
ie.
can I put the a card cage and a drive in a smaller rack that
will fit in the basement?
Part of the answer to the question will be do you want to be able to bring
up whatever system is on those disk packs? Keep in mind it might require
all 4 of those drives, plus if those are RK05's you want to make sure you
keep all of them.
Zane
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4:29 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: PDP 11/34
I would guess that they are RK05, I just hauled 2 RL01's
into the garage. Further looking on the web leads me to
think that there maybe 3 card cages 2 standards and 1
enhanced with the keypad. There are also a bunch of disks
for the RL01.
I also found documentation for a PDP 11/05 in the pile and,
a box of 8" floppies, and a box of paper tapes. I didn't
notice a reader. There were also 2 bakplanes in a second
box and a bunch more cards which I'll list latter.
The 8" floppy drives are Morrows.
There is documentation for CROMEMCO fortran in the pile
also.
be able to bring
>Well I just picked up a car load of stuff.
Manuals,
disks
and paper
tapes, a VT100 terminal and 2 8" floppy drives.
I left 4 RL05 drives, 2 racks and card cages behind for
another trip.
Are those RK05 or RL01 or RL02 drives? >How much of this do I need to get the system
working,
ie.
>can I put the a card cage and a drive in a smaller
rack
that
will fit in the
basement?
Part of the answer to the question will be do you want to up whatever system is on those disk packs? Keep in
mind
it might require
all 4 of those drives, plus if those are RK05's
you want
to make sure you
keep all of them.
Looking at the pile I'm thinking that there is still 1 rack
missing.
Will keeping them in an unheated garage cause much damage,
or should I make an effort to get the units to the basement.
5:24 a.m.
I would guess that they are RK05, I just hauled 2
RL01's
into the garage. Further looking on the web leads me to
think that there maybe 3 card cages 2 standards and 1
enhanced with the keypad.
The traditional nomenclature is that you have one CPU (that's the one with
the keypad) and two expansion chassis.
I also found documentation for a PDP 11/05 in the pile
and,
a box of 8" floppies, and a box of paper tapes. I didn't
notice a reader. There were also 2 bakplanes in a second
box and a bunch more cards which I'll list latter.
Sometimes systems came with the diagnostics on paper tape (DEC paper tapes
are all marked on the leader with their function, if they start with the
letters XX then they are diagnostics so save them!)
The 8" floppy drives are Morrows.
There is documentation for CROMEMCO fortran in the pile
also.
So it seems there was some S100 stuff there too.
Will keeping them in an unheated garage cause much
damage,
or should I make an effort to get the units to the basement.
It is ok to store them in an unheated garage but it is not recommended that
you operate them over wide ranges of temperatures. Moving them to the
basement would be a Good Thing however and preserve your investment in time
and effort.
--Chuck
5:49 a.m.
Chuck McManis wrote:
Remember, this is an unheated garage in Ontario, not California ...
It would probably be a good idea to move them into the basement before
winter comes round.
The good news is that you won't have to worry about termites ;-)
Will keeping them in an unheated garage cause much
damage,
or should I make an effort to get the units to the basement.
It is ok to store them in an unheated garage but it is not recommended that
you operate them over wide ranges of temperatures. Moving them to the
basement would be a Good Thing however and preserve your investment in time
and effort.
16 Jul
16 Jul
noon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck McManis" <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: PDP 11/34
(that's the one with
I would guess that they are RK05, I just hauled 2
RL01's
into the garage. Further looking on the web leads me to
think that there maybe 3 card cages 2 standards and 1
enhanced with the keypad.
The traditional nomenclature is that you have one CPU the keypad) and two expansion chassis.
I brought the expansion chassis home today. One is 220 and
the other 110.
The rental company messed up my reservation so I'll have the
truck next week to get the remaining 2 racks and cpu, the
RK05 drives and the decwriter.
My wife wants the machines in the basement sorted and
shelved before I start on mopre machines in the garage so it
may be a few weeks before I can post an inventory.
I've already been warned about reconditioning the capacitors
in the power supplies, any other warnings. Any links with
reassembly instructions.
I didn't notice a paper tape reader thsi time either :(
30 Jun
30 Jun
6:02 a.m.
Will keeping them in an unheated garage cause much
damage,
or should I make an effort to get the units to the basement.
Well, my PDP-11/44 is kept in an unheated garage (though it does get heat
from the house) that can get plenty hot in the summer,
and very cold in the
winter. Prior to my getting it, the /44 sat in Paxton's
old Warehouse for
who knows how many years. I think cleanliness is of more importance than
wide temperature changes. Because of this I keep the /44 covered with old
sheets to try and keep most of the dirt out of it.
Zane
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| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
1 Jul
1 Jul
1:55 a.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Will keeping
them in an unheated garage cause much damage,
or should I make an effort to get the units to the basement.
Well, my PDP-11/44 is
kept in an unheated garage (though it does get heat
from the house) that can get plenty hot in the summer, and very cold in the
winter. Prior to my getting it, the /44 sat in Paxton's old Warehouse for
who knows how many years. I think cleanliness is of more importance than
wide temperature changes. Because of this I keep the /44 covered with old
sheets to try and keep most of the dirt out of it.
5:26 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerome Fine" <jhfine(a)idirect.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: PDP 11/34
the
humidity
Zane H. Healy
wrote:
> >Will keeping them in an unheated garage cause much
> >damage,or should I make an effort to get the units to > >basement. Well, my PDP-11/44 is kept in an
unheated
> >garage (though it does get heat
...
who knows how
many years. I think cleanliness is of
more importance than wide temperature changes.
Because of this I keep the /44 covered with old
sheets to try and keep most of the dirt out of it.
Jerome Fine replies:
Plenty hot in Ottawa in the summer can still be over 90
degrees Fahrenheit in the summer with VERY high humidity.
But in winter, minus 40 degrees is not uncommon - is probably not important (and Fahrenheit is not
required
since the same value applies to Centigrade as well).
My wife will not let them into the house, so if my pleading
is in vain I may have to put it up for adoption in the fall,
with the 2 as400/s.
Did you receive any system software and if so do you
know
which version of the operating systems are available?
There is one disk labelled TSX,LEX, the rest are unlabeled
except for AECL 2200 BPI-12
AECL( Atomic Energy Canada Limited) is where they machines
came from I believe.
There are 2 other pack labelled RL01K-DC with TD2, and TD4
The paper tapes are labelled:
DZM91-D-PB
DZKMA-C1-PB
DZKAQ-F-PB
DFKTH-A-PB
DFKAC-A-PB
DFKAB-C-PB
DFKAA-B1-PB
DCMFA-D-PB
DZDLA-F-PB
DZDLA-F1-PB
I didn't notice a paper tape reader in the pile, but there
is a manual from a paper tape reader that gives the codes.
There is also a Manual from HP - Seminar in Problem solving
concepts for computer systems.
and a bunch for a PDP 11/15.
2:02 a.m.
New subject: Ottawa (storing stuff) was: Re: PDP 11/34
From: "Mike Kenzie"
<KenzieM(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: PDP 11/34
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:26:38 -0400
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Snip!
Jerome Fine
replies:
Plenty hot in Ottawa in the summer can still be over 90
degrees Fahrenheit in the summer with VERY high humidity.
But in winter, minus 40 degrees is not uncommon -
humidity
is probably not important (and Fahrenheit is
not
required
> since the same value applies to Centigrade as well).
6:47 a.m.
New subject: Ottawa (storing stuff) was: Re: PDP 11/34
aaaaa
jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
If I ever live in Ottawa for the Algonquin as a
student, where is the
best spots for old, cheap computer stuff especially Macs? Also what
about electronics component stores to visit for parts?
Jerome Fine replies:
I have not been back to Ottawa very often and there were no such
stores when I lived there.
I lived in Ottawa for about 18 months in 1967 when I started my third
job. I moved there on New Year's day and by the end of the week the
temperature had dropped to minus 40. Fortunately I had been warned
and with a block heater, oil dipstick heater and car warmer, the old 1965
full size Chevy (they sure did make them big back then) started without
a problem.
The company had an old CDC 3500 (hey - back then it was new) with
a wonderful operating system that allowed many users to edit their files
on-line and then submit the files as batch jobs to be executed almost
immediately depending on the queue length.
Now this may seem like a very limited system, but in 1967, even interactive
editing was brand new. And batch jobs were normally submitted via a
card deck - yep - punched cards.
My initial job was to help upgrade the file structure code from a linear search
of over 3000 files to a hash search of 6000 files. I wrote some code to monitor
how the upgrade was being used and sure enough I predicted a system crash
about an hour before it occurred - the hash algorithm was not re-using vacated
file descriptors - wonderful method, inadequate implementation and checking.
Next I wrote a system job to use the primitive program that copied one file
at a time from/to disk/tape. The super job read all the file headers and copied
all the specified files from disk to tape and attached a backup number to each
file. That was the nightly backup run. During the noon lull, a five minute job
backed up all the changed or new files for the morning at the next higher backup
level so that any new files could also be recovered without having to backup all
the files.
Hey - I was asked a question about all those old companies and I mentioned
Snow White (no not the virus - IBM) and the Seven Dwarfs. I remembered six
and want to check if these were the correct seven?
Burroughs
Control Data
DEC
Honeywell
NCR
Univac
Wang
I don't think Xerox was one at that point in time?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
7:37 a.m.
New subject: Ottawa (storing stuff) was: Re: PDP 11/34
Hey - I was asked a question about all those old
companies and I mentioned
Snow White (no not the virus - IBM) and the Seven Dwarfs. I remembered six
and want to check if these were the correct seven?
Burroughs
Control Data
DEC
Honeywell
NCR
Univac
Wang
BUNCH -- Burroughs, Univac, NCR, Control Data, Honeywell(a.k.a. GE).
RCA and DEC may have rounded out the pack.
RCA unloaded it's Spectra line and Univac picked it up. DEC moved into
Marlboro in to some areas that IIRC were RCA spots.
RCA dumped computers at the time one of execs was in divorce procedings.
A hurried income report showed no profit in the computer line (when they
ACTUALLY made ground and PROFIT against IBM) (around 1970/71) and they
dumped their mainframe computing push.
Bill
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8:37 a.m.
New subject: The Seven Dwarfs
Bill Pechter wrote:
BUNCH came after the seven dwarfs.
"Ranked according to each one's share of the dollar values of computer
systems installed worldwide in 1967, the dwarfs were Sperry Rand,
Control Data Corporation, Honeywell, RCA, NCR, General Electric and
Burroughs"
Hey - I was asked a question about all those old
companies and I mentioned
Snow White (no not the virus - IBM) and the Seven Dwarfs. I remembered six
and want to check if these were the correct seven?
Burroughs
Control Data
DEC
Honeywell
NCR
Univac
Wang
BUNCH -- Burroughs, Univac, NCR, Control Data, Honeywell(a.k.a. GE). From : The Computer Establishment by Katherine Davis
Fishman, ISBN
0-06-011283-2
Sperry, of course was Univac, DEC had a small installed base (in dollar
value) at that time.
As mentioned, Honeywell bought the GE computer operations in 1970, and
in 1971 RCA's were acquired by Sperry leaving the BUNCH.
-- HBP
10:41 a.m.
New subject: The Seven Dwarfs
At 10:37 PM 7/1/01 +0200, you wrote:
I remembered six and want to check if these were the
correct seven?
> > Burroughs
> > Control Data
> > DEC
> > Honeywell
> > NCR
> > Univac
> > Wang
No, one of them was RCA and Wang was not included.
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5:41 p.m.
New subject: The Seven Dwarfs
Anybody remember John Dvorak's "IBM and the Seven Dwarfs" columns
in Computer Shopper a few years ago? He gave a short history of a
dwarf each month. I should have saved them...
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
9:49 a.m.
New subject: Ottawa (storing stuff) was: Re: PDP 11/34
I think GE and RCA belong on the list, I don't think Wang does.
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Jerome Fine wrote:
aaaaa
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
If I ever live in Ottawa for the Algonquin as a
student, where is the
best spots for old, cheap computer stuff especially Macs? Also what
about electronics component stores to visit for parts?
Jerome Fine replies:
I have not been back to Ottawa very often and there were no such
stores when I lived there.
I lived in Ottawa for about 18 months in 1967 when I started my third
job. I moved there on New Year's day and by the end of the week the
temperature had dropped to minus 40. Fortunately I had been warned
and with a block heater, oil dipstick heater and car warmer, the old 1965
full size Chevy (they sure did make them big back then) started without
a problem.
The company had an old CDC 3500 (hey - back then it was new) with
a wonderful operating system that allowed many users to edit their files
on-line and then submit the files as batch jobs to be executed almost
immediately depending on the queue length.
Now this may seem like a very limited system, but in 1967, even interactive
editing was brand new. And batch jobs were normally submitted via a
card deck - yep - punched cards.
My initial job was to help upgrade the file structure code from a linear search
of over 3000 files to a hash search of 6000 files. I wrote some code to monitor
how the upgrade was being used and sure enough I predicted a system crash
about an hour before it occurred - the hash algorithm was not re-using vacated
file descriptors - wonderful method, inadequate implementation and checking.
Next I wrote a system job to use the primitive program that copied one file
at a time from/to disk/tape. The super job read all the file headers and copied
all the specified files from disk to tape and attached a backup number to each
file. That was the nightly backup run. During the noon lull, a five minute job
backed up all the changed or new files for the morning at the next higher backup
level so that any new files could also be recovered without having to backup all
the files.
Hey - I was asked a question about all those old companies and I mentioned
Snow White (no not the virus - IBM) and the Seven Dwarfs. I remembered six
and want to check if these were the correct seven?
Burroughs
Control Data
DEC
Honeywell
NCR
Univac
Wang
I don't think Xerox was one at that point in time?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
2 Jul
2 Jul
5:34 a.m.
New subject: Ottawa (storing stuff) was: Re: PDP 11/34
> From: "Mike Kenzie"
<KenzieM(a)sympatico.ca>
> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: PDP 11/34
> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:26:38 -0400
> Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
A tip... even if your wife won't let the computers in the house, you
should bring any magnetic media inside. Papertape, if stored dry, of
course, isn't a problem, but watch out for rodents.
-ethan
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9:23 a.m.
New subject: Ottawa (storing stuff) was: Re: PDP 11/34
A tip... even if your wife won't let the computers
in the house, you
should bring any magnetic media inside. Papertape, if stored dry, of
course, isn't a problem, but watch out for rodents.
Not just rodents, but the whole litany of smaller creepy crawlies. Either
use a way station, ie open well lighted spot in garage, or better use some
gloves and repack the whole mess into clean containers with lids etc.
1 Jul
1 Jul
7:42 a.m.
There is one disk labelled TSX,LEX, the rest are
unlabeled
except for AECL 2200 BPI-12
TSX-11 is multi-user time shared OS on top of RT11.
The paper tapes are labelled:
DZM91-D-PB - Sounds like bootstrap loader diag?
DZKMA-C1-PB - Memory mos? sdiag iirc
DZKAQ-F-PB - Memory diag (mos MK) iirc
DFKTH-A-PB - 11/34 cache? iirc
DFKAC-A-PB - 11/34 CPU Diag
DFKAB-C-PB - 11/34 CPU Diag
DFKAA-B1-PB - 11/34 cpu Diag -- main instruction set
DCMFA-D-PB - MF11? diag
DZDLA-F-PB - RL diag ?
DZDLA-F1-PB - RL Diag ?
I didn't notice a paper tape reader in the pile, but there
is a manual from a paper tape reader that gives the codes.
Bill
---
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villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller
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25 Jul
25 Jul
11:50 a.m.
New subject: PDP 11/34 inventory
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kenzie" <KenzieM(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 11:10 AM
Subject: PDP 11/34
Well I just picked up a car load of stuff. Manuals,
disks
and paper tapes, a VT100 terminal and 2 8" floppy drives.
Well after a lost reservation at U-Haul the beast is now
sitting in the garage.
The top of the main unit has this on it
M8266 KD11
M8265 "
M7859 KT11-LB
M7847 MS-11-JP
M7847 "
M7856 dl11W
M7891 MSW-LP
M7819 DZ11
M7762 RL11
The Auxiliary chassis with the 220V power supply has this in
it:
M7266 M7266 M7891 M105 G652 M7211
M7701 M9302 M7850 M9301YB
M8264 M7821
M920
M105
M7821 M7680 M7681
The 110V auxillary chassis has this in it:
M7266 M7265 M9301 M7891 M7891 PLESSY
M9202 -- M9302
M7856
M8264 M7254 M7255 M7256 M7257
ASSY A108109-508 937
And an unnamed card that spanned 2 slots and had a toggle
and lights
In another cardboard box was:
M920 (4x), M7254, M7255, M7256, M7257, m7847, m7821, m7681,
g938, g180, m930, m7809,
grant continuity cards (2x) flip chip 504D,
Versatech 289 380211 teledyne philbrick 4023 x2 10 bit
voltage D/A converter
as well as what looks like a 9 slot and a 4 slot backplane
and a bunch of light pens.
There is also 2 RL01 and 4 RK05 drives.
The smaller white rack has the main chassis mounted on top
and it looks like space for 2 units below that
The RL01 a are the right number and colour so I figure they
go in there. The other rack is black and has space for 5
devices 4 match the rails on the RK05s (numbered 0-3).
When getting the names I may have moved the Plessy card it
seems to have been is a 3 slot gap and the unknown cards in
the 220 box.
I suspect that I should get the cleaning done and capacitors
conditioned before putting everything back in the rack.
Anyone in the Ottawa area interested in helping?
I hope to have pictures soon.
1 Aug
1 Aug
5:08 p.m.
New subject: PDP 11/34 inventory
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerome Fine" <jhfine(a)idirect.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: PDP 11/34 inventory
There is one disk labelled TSX,LEX, the rest are unlabeled
except for AECL 2200 BPI-12
There are 2 other pack labelled RL01K-DC with TD2, and TD4
There is a few 8" floppies labeled PDP backup and there are
drives in 2 of the RK05's labeled system backup
The paper tapes are labelled:
DZM91-D-PB
DZKMA-C1-PB
DZKAQ-F-PB
DFKTH-A-PB
DFKAC-A-PB
DFKAB-C-PB
DFKAA-B1-PB
DCMFA-D-PB
DZDLA-F-PB
DZDLA-F1-PB
I didn't notice a paper tape reader in the pile, but found a
mention today that the DECwriter might have that option?
Found out about a nice haul of MAC's tonight (color classic,
quadras, 7200, lc, CI...) as well as a LISA, a Sun 3/60 and
an Apollo.
Mike Kenzie
wrote:
Anyone in the Ottawa area interested in helping?
Jerome Fine replies:
Which OS will you use?
I hope to have pictures soon.
Did any software come with the 11/34?
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