22 Jan
2012
22 Jan
'12
6:55 p.m.
----- Original Message:
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:59:25 +0000
From: Pete Turnbull <pete at dunnington.plus.com>
I dislike hyperterminal fairly intensely...
Just curious: what is it specifically about HyperTerminal that you not only
dislike, but dislike "fairly intensely" (other than that it used to be
supplied by Microsoft and runs in Windows)?
22 Jan
22 Jan
7:49 p.m.
On 22 January 2012 18:55, MikeS <dm561 at torfree.net> wrote:
----- Original Message:
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:59:25 +0000
From: Pete Turnbull <pete at dunnington.plus.com>
As for me: I really dislike the business of selecting a session,
attaching it to a specified modem device and so on. I want a comms
program to just open up and point me at the serial port; I'll do the
dialling, thanks.
(Well, I say "want". I mean "wanted". Happily it's not something I
do
any more and haven't for the best part of 15Y.
It's a bit like the old debate about how wordprocessors should work
(before the debate was killed off by GUIs).
Some felt that The Right Thing To Do was open up and give you a blank
document for you to start typing. If you want file management, choose
that option.
Examples: WordPerfect, MS Word for DOS, most text editors.
Others felt that no, file management was critically important, as was
encouraging people to use templates and so on properly, so they opened
up onto the file-management screen and you had to either pick a file
to work on or explicitly create a new blank one.
Examples: WordStar, LocoScript, & IIRC MultiMate, Samna Executive & many more.
I was quite happy with both, personally; I can see arguments both
ways. 30Y ago it was a vexed battle, though.
I do feel that the basic function of a comms program is to be a
terminal emulator, though. HyperTerm compelled you to create a
session, install a modem driver, choose a modem and so on, even if you
just wanted to type
ATI1
ATI2
ATI3
...etc.
If you wanted a dumb terminal session, IIRC, you had to configure a
null modem or a direct cable connection and point it at that. It was
just obstructive.
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I dislike hyperterminal fairly intensely...
Just curious: what is it specifically about HyperTerminal that you not only
dislike, but dislike "fairly intensely" (other than that it used to be
supplied by Microsoft and runs in Windows)? 
8:11 p.m.
On 22 Jan 2012 at 19:49, Liam Proven wrote:
If you wanted a dumb terminal session, IIRC, you had
to configure a
null modem or a direct cable connection and point it at that. It was
just obstructive.
I used HT as a dumb terminal in direct-connect mode. Set up the
first session the hard way and then save any subsequent variations to
the desktop. From that point on, you clicked on the variation you
wanted. It wasn't that bad.
--Chuck
8:24 p.m.
On 22 January 2012 20:11, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 22 Jan 2012 at 19:49, Liam Proven wrote:
Oh, yes, you could do it. It was just a bit of a PITA.
If I had something serious to do, I regularly resorted to DOS Procomm
in a window, myself. :?) Never got on with Crosstalk, either...
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If you wanted a dumb terminal session, IIRC, you
had to configure a
null modem or a direct cable connection and point it at that. It was
just obstructive.
I used HT as a dumb terminal in direct-connect mode. ?Set up the
first session the hard way and then save any subsequent variations to
the desktop. ?From that point on, you clicked on the variation you
wanted. ?It wasn't that bad. 
8:46 p.m.
Liam Proven wrote:
On 22 January 2012 18:55, MikeS <dm561 at
torfree.net> wrote:
Yup, that's one of my pet dislikes of HT too.
----- Original Message:
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:59:25 +0000
From: Pete Turnbull <pete at dunnington.plus.com>
As for me: I really dislike the business of selecting a session,
attaching it to a specified modem device and so on. I want a comms
program to just open up and point me at the serial port; I'll do the
dialling, thanks. I dislike hyperterminal fairly intensely...
Just curious: what is it specifically about HyperTerminal that you not only
dislike, but dislike "fairly intensely" (other than that it used to be
supplied by Microsoft and runs in Windows)? I do feel that the basic function of a comms program
is to be a
terminal emulator, though. HyperTerm compelled you to create a
session, install a modem driver, choose a modem and so on, even if you
just wanted to type
If you wanted a dumb terminal session, IIRC, you had
to configure a
null modem or a direct cable connection and point it at that. It was
just obstructive.
Seconded. Obstructive is a good description. That's most of why I
"dislike it intensely".
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
23 Jan
23 Jan
1:09 a.m.
interesting
i scored one of those black box's off ebay for 50 shipped so now will have
a searial loop to play with when i get back to winnipeg yay :)
22 Jan
22 Jan
8:43 p.m.
MikeS wrote:
----- Original Message:
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:59:25 +0000
From: Pete Turnbull <pete at dunnington.plus.com>
It doesn't allow many settings I want, it has a stupid set of configs,
it frequently gets confused about state, cut-and-paste is appalling, ...
PuTTY is just so much more versatile, configurable, reliable, and more
like a real terminal.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
I dislike hyperterminal fairly intensely...
Just curious: what is it specifically about HyperTerminal that you not only
dislike, but dislike "fairly intensely" (other than that it used to be
supplied by Microsoft and runs in Windows)?
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