25 Oct
2001
25 Oct
'01
10:57 a.m.
Speaking of LocalTalk, does anyone have TOPS software
for PCs?
I have two copies of it (TOPS for DOS v2.1). Unfortuantly, both are in
use (they go with my two LocalTalk cards), so I am not willing to get rid
of them. However, I don't know your (or the general list) stance on
abandonware, and if TOPS qualifies. If it does, and I won't get chastised
on this list for doing so, I would have no problems duplicating the
install disks, and running off a copy of the manual for you. Of course, I
can't sell it to you (outside of postage and material costs) because that
would be piracy no matter HOW you slice it (selling for profit a copy of
software while retaining the original, even if abandonware, is just not
right in my book).
I do know that TOPS is serialized, and checks itself on the network. You
need a different code for each copy. I don't think the software itself is
serialized, so you can install from the same disks, you just need to
register it with different codes or duplicates will disable each other.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
25 Oct
25 Oct
10:14 p.m.
I do know that TOPS is serialized, and checks itself on
the network. You
need a different code for each copy. I don't think the software itself is
serialized, so you can install from the same disks, you just need to
register it with different codes or duplicates will disable each other.
Chris, when you are making these illegal bootlegs do you mind sending me a
copy of disc image files? Anything up to about 20 MB is fine as just a
email attachment.
Sounds like you actually have the software running, whats it like, what are
you doing with it?
Abandoneware is one thing, but this is "throw your customers off a
cliffware". Ultimately Sun owns the rights to the TOPS network protocol, at
least I think, but Symantec and Farallon pretend this era of product which
came with LIFETIME support etc. never existed. I chased after them a few
months ago after I bought a batch of NEW full retail box product that had
never been registered, and only email response I could get was that they
didn't support that product anymore.
Wants some fun, buy an EXPENSIVE sealed retail box new old stock product,
then without opening the envelope with the discs, send a letter to the
company informing them that you are NOT willing to comply with the terms of
their license agreement and want a refund of the retail price of the
package.
26 Oct
26 Oct
4:05 a.m.
On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 12:14:00AM -0700, Mike Ford wrote:
Abandoneware is one thing [...]
Wants some fun, buy an EXPENSIVE sealed retail box new
old stock product,
then without opening the envelope with the discs, send a letter to the
company informing them that you are NOT willing to comply with the terms of
their license agreement and want a refund of the retail price of the
package.
Interesting idea.
If I buy a book I own that copy, not the right to copy it, not a
"license" forming an agreement between me and some other party, but I
own the book itself. Familiar stuff.
Proprietary software, which always seems to be "licensed" and never
sold, might put an extra burden on the copyright holder: to actually
exist at the other end of the license.
If they aren't there to accept, say, a purchaser's inability to abide
by their license, does that constitute their breaking the license and
thereby release the buyer from the license terms too? Might that be a
way to forfeit copyrights?
A book owner might also have a hard time tracking down the current
holder of a copyright, but as there isn't a "license" relationship
between them, what need is there?
-kb
3:33 p.m.
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Kent Borg wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 12:14:00AM -0700, Mike Ford
wrote:
This leads to an interesting situation. Can you make, say, 50,000,000
copies of a book, and send it to its rightful owner?
Peace... Sridhar
Abandoneware is one thing [...]
Wants some fun, buy an EXPENSIVE sealed retail
box new old stock product,
then without opening the envelope with the discs, send a letter to the
company informing them that you are NOT willing to comply with the terms of
their license agreement and want a refund of the retail price of the
package.
Interesting idea.
If I buy a book I own that copy, not the right to copy it, not a
"license" forming an agreement between me and some other party, but I
own the book itself. Familiar stuff. 
27 Oct
27 Oct
2:58 a.m.
Here in Germany: Yes!
ms
One Without Reason wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Kent Borg wrote:
--
Michael Schneider email: ms(a)silke.rt.schwaben.de
Germany http://www.vaxcluster.de
People disagree with me. I just ignore them.
(Linus Torvalds)
On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 12:14:00AM -0700, Mike
Ford wrote:
This leads to an interesting situation. Can you make, say, 50,000,000
copies of a book, and send it to its rightful owner?
Peace... Sridhar Abandoneware is one thing [...]
Wants some fun, buy an EXPENSIVE sealed retail
box new old stock product,
then without opening the envelope with the discs, send a letter to the
company informing them that you are NOT willing to comply with the terms of
their license agreement and want a refund of the retail price of the
package.
Interesting idea.
If I buy a book I own that copy, not the right to copy it, not a
"license" forming an agreement between me and some other party, but I
own the book itself. Familiar stuff.
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