16 Jan
2015
16 Jan
'15
7:53 p.m.
I hadn't spotted this before, and it may be of interest to some here :
http://www.polyomino.org.uk/computer/ECMA-10/
It's the ECMA standard for paper tape.
-tony
16 Jan
16 Jan
7:58 p.m.
OBA! I'm crazy for creating a paper reader/perfurator! :D This is an old
dream of mine, although I have no specific computers who use it, nor any
specimen of perfored tape around. But I find it to be just beautiful :)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "tony duell" <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 5:53 PM
Subject: Paper tape standard
I hadn't spotted this before, and it may be of interest to some here :
http://www.polyomino.org.uk/computer/ECMA-10/
It's the ECMA standard for paper tape.
-tony
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8:09 p.m.
OBA! I'm crazy for creating a paper
reader/perfurator! :D This is an old
dream of mine, although I have no specific computers who use it, nor any
specimen of perfored tape around. But I find it to be just beautiful :)
The reader is relatively easy to make at home, at least if you are happy with a
photoelectric one. If you trigger off the feed holes, you don't need a sprocket
drive, a capstan and pnch roller is fine. This is the sort of thing you can make
in a good home workshop.
The punch is a lot harder. Making the punch pins and die block, and then
correctly grinding and hardening the former is not going to be easy.
Mechanically the rest may not look too hard (the Facit 4070 used a set
of rotary solenoids and linkages, one per pin), but it is still a major
project.
-tony
8:13 p.m.
I had a dream of creating a paper tape with a program I wrote on it for the
Pegasus computer at the Science Museum. If they ever turn it on again, or
another one crops up, I might not have any excuses left...
On 16 January 2015 at 20:09, tony duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
OBA! I'm crazy for creating a paper
reader/perfurator! :D This is an
old
dream of mine, although I have no specific
computers who use it, nor any
specimen of perfored tape around. But I find it to be just beautiful :)
The reader is relatively easy to make at home, at least if you are happy
with a
photoelectric one. If you trigger off the feed holes, you don't need a
sprocket
drive, a capstan and pnch roller is fine. This is the sort of thing you
can make
in a good home workshop.
The punch is a lot harder. Making the punch pins and die block, and then
correctly grinding and hardening the former is not going to be easy.
Mechanically the rest may not look too hard (the Facit 4070 used a set
of rotary solenoids and linkages, one per pin), but it is still a major
project.
-tony
8:50 p.m.
Perhaps not quite the same, but when I bring my Teletype Model 33, connected to a
DECSYSTEM-20 emulation, to DEC Legacy in April you can save a program on paper tape if you
like.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark
Wickens
Sent: 16 January 2015 20:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Paper tape standard
I had a dream of creating a paper tape with a program I wrote on it for the
Pegasus computer at the Science Museum. If they ever turn it on again, or
another one crops up, I might not have any excuses left...
On 16 January 2015 at 20:09, tony duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > OBA! I'm crazy for creating a paper reader/perfurator! :D This
> > is an
> old
> > dream of mine, although I have no specific computers who use it, nor
> > any specimen of perfored tape around. But I find it to be just
> > beautiful :)
>
> The reader is relatively easy to make at home, at least if you are
> happy with a photoelectric one. If you trigger off the feed holes, you
> don't need a sprocket drive, a capstan and pnch roller is fine. This
> is the sort of thing you can make in a good home workshop.
>
> The punch is a lot harder. Making the punch pins and die block, and
> then correctly grinding and hardening the former is not going to be easy.
> Mechanically the rest may not look too hard (the Facit 4070 used a set
> of rotary solenoids and linkages, one per pin), but it is still a
> major project.
>
> -tony
>
11:11 p.m.
Some time in the future I would like to build an FPGA emulation of the Pegasus, complete
with console switches, tape readers, tape punches and Creed Teleprinter. I have some of
the parts including a Creed Teleprinter and Creed Paper Tape reader, Post Office Switches
for the console. I can't find a Creed 25 high speed punch so I will have to improvise
and use one of my other punches.......
... if its ever completed I would be glad to run your program....
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Robert Jarratt
Sent: 16 January 2015 20:51
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Paper tape standard
Perhaps not quite the same, but when I bring my Teletype Model 33, connected to a
DECSYSTEM-20 emulation, to DEC Legacy in April you can save a program on paper tape if you
like.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark
Wickens
Sent: 16 January 2015 20:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Paper tape standard
I had a dream of creating a paper tape with a program I wrote on it
for the Pegasus computer at the Science Museum. If they ever turn it
on again, or another one crops up, I might not have any excuses left...
On 16 January 2015 at 20:09, tony duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > OBA! I'm crazy for creating a paper reader/perfurator! :D This
> > is an
> old
> > dream of mine, although I have no specific computers who use it,
> > nor any specimen of perfored tape around. But I find it to be just
> > beautiful :)
>
> The reader is relatively easy to make at home, at least if you are
> happy with a photoelectric one. If you trigger off the feed holes,
> you don't need a sprocket drive, a capstan and pnch roller is fine.
> This is the sort of thing you can make in a good home workshop.
>
> The punch is a lot harder. Making the punch pins and die block, and
> then correctly grinding and hardening the former is not going to be easy.
> Mechanically the rest may not look too hard (the Facit 4070 used a
> set of rotary solenoids and linkages, one per pin), but it is still
> a major project.
>
> -tony
>
10:57 p.m.
There is a Pegasus emulator here:-
http://sw.ccs.bcs.org/CCs/simulate.htm
it can be configured to output the tape output to the printer port, so whilst you
can't run a program on a real Pegasus you should be able to get paper tape out if you
had a paper tape punch.
I was hoping to be able to feed the tape from this program into the original Creed 6S
paper tape reader, and hence print it on the Creed printer from the Pegasus at MOSI
Manchester.
Sadly, MOSI have decided they want to re-use the gallery the Pegasus is displayed on so
the project has been suspended. I don't expect it to restart. I had got as far as
printing from paper tape.
Dave Wade
G4UGM
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens
Sent: 16 January 2015 20:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Paper tape standard
I had a dream of creating a paper tape with a program I wrote on it for the Pegasus
computer at the Science Museum. If they ever turn it on again, or another one crops up, I
might not have any excuses left...
On 16 January 2015 at 20:09, tony duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
OBA! I'm crazy for creating a paper
reader/perfurator! :D This
is an
old
dream of mine, although I have no specific
computers who use it, nor
any specimen of perfored tape around. But I find it to be just
beautiful :)
The reader is relatively easy to make at home, at least if you are
happy with a photoelectric one. If you trigger off the feed holes, you
don't need a sprocket drive, a capstan and pnch roller is fine. This
is the sort of thing you can make in a good home workshop.
The punch is a lot harder. Making the punch pins and die block, and
then correctly grinding and hardening the former is not going to be easy.
Mechanically the rest may not look too hard (the Facit 4070 used a set
of rotary solenoids and linkages, one per pin), but it is still a
major project.
-tony
17 Jan
17 Jan
1:05 a.m.
Couldn't you make the punch these days with a row of lasers? or maybe a single laser
that sweeps across the tape laterally?
Bonus because there wouldn't be any of that messy chad left. It'd just be up in
smoke, so to speak :-)
Chris
On January 16, 2015 2:09:32 PM CST, tony duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
--
Chris Elmquist
OBA! I'm crazy for creating a paper
reader/perfurator! :D This is
an old
dream of mine, although I have no specific
computers who use it, nor
any
specimen of perfored tape around. But I find it
to be just beautiful
:)
The reader is relatively easy to make at home, at least if you are
happy with a
photoelectric one. If you trigger off the feed holes, you don't need a
sprocket
drive, a capstan and pnch roller is fine. This is the sort of thing you
can make
in a good home workshop.
The punch is a lot harder. Making the punch pins and die block, and
then
correctly grinding and hardening the former is not going to be easy.
Mechanically the rest may not look too hard (the Facit 4070 used a set
of rotary solenoids and linkages, one per pin), but it is still a major
project.
-tony 
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