24 Sep
2014
24 Sep
'14
7:04 p.m.
I'm posting this on behalf of someone not on the list. I didn't want to just
open them up to tons of replies, so figured I'd just post it for him and
relay any responses back. Can anyone solve his issue?
He wrote..
I'm trying to get some code that was written in 1977 working again. I've
gotten a PDP-11 emulator working but the version of BASIC that is on it
doesn't know the 'FILE #1="DNG1' command. I've been digging through
BASIC
manuals for BASIC-11 and BASIC-Plus but so far they either don't have an
file reading or their file reading commands don't match that syntax.
Googling has led me to a few other versions of BASIC that were on the PDP-11
but I can't find manuals for them.
Can you point me in the right direction?
(The full code is here;
https://d2sx9mrt4zumaq.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/DND1_Comple
te.pdf)
(And it is part of this contest; https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?p=39149)
---
00010 LET J4=1
00030 PRINT
00100 BASE 0
00110 LET X=0
00120 LET J=0
00130 LET K=0
00140 X1=0
00150 LET X3=0
00160 LET J9=RND(CLK(J9))
00170 DIM C(7),C$(7),W(100),D(50,50),P(100),I$(100),B(100,6),B$(100)
00180 DIM E(100),F(100),X5(100),X6(100),X2(100),X4(100)
00190 LET G=INT(RND(0)*24+2)
00200 LET H=INT(RND(0)*24+2)
00210 FILE #1="DNG1"
00220 FILE
#2="DNG2",#3="DNG3",#4="DNG4",#5="DNG5",#6="DNG6"
00230 RESTORE #4
00240 FILE #7="GMSTR"
00245 RESTORE #7
00250 RESTORE #1
00260 RESTORE #2
00261 RESTORE #3
00262 RESTORE #4
00263 RESTORE #5
00264 RESTORE #6
24 Sep
24 Sep
8:53 p.m.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm posting this on behalf of someone not on the
list. I didn't want to just
open them up to tons of replies, so figured I'd just post it for him and
relay any responses back. Can anyone solve his issue?
He wrote..
I'm trying to get some code that was written in 1977 working again. I've
gotten a PDP-11 emulator working but the version of BASIC that is on it
doesn't know the 'FILE #1="DNG1' command. I've been digging through
BASIC
manuals for BASIC-11 and BASIC-Plus but so far they either don't have an
file reading or their file reading commands don't match that syntax.
Neither the ?file? command nor the ?restore? command as used in this example resemble any
BASIC I know. It?s impossible to guess what they are supposed to do. Do you know? If
yes, please describe what those statements do, and we?ll be able to give you the
Basic-Plus equivalents.
paul
9:03 p.m.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm posting this on behalf of someone not on the
list. I didn't want to just
open them up to tons of replies, so figured I'd just post it for him and
relay any responses back. Can anyone solve his issue?
He wrote..
I'm trying to get some code that was written in 1977 working again. I've
gotten a PDP-11 emulator working but the version of BASIC that is on it
doesn't know the 'FILE #1="DNG1' command. I've been digging through
BASIC
manuals for BASIC-11 and BASIC-Plus but so far they either don't have an
file reading or their file reading commands don't match that syntax.
Googling has led me to a few other versions of BASIC that were on the PDP-11
but I can't find manuals for them.
Can you point me in the right direction?
(The full code is here;
https://d2sx9mrt4zumaq.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/DND1_Comple
te.pdf)
Judging by the date format, that might be CDC Basic (since CDC liked dates starting with
the year and times with period for separator). So I would suggest finding the CDC Basic
(for the 60 bit mainframes, KRONOS or NOS or SCOPE or NOS/BE) manual.
paul
25 Sep
25 Sep
2:32 a.m.
Did he check the RT-11 version of Basic (MU-BAS)?
Ed
I'm posting this on behalf of someone not on the
list. I didn't want to
just
open them up to tons of replies, so figured I'd just post it for him and
relay any responses back. Can anyone solve his issue?
He wrote..
I'm trying to get some code that was written in 1977 working again. I've
gotten a PDP-11 emulator working but the version of BASIC that is on it
doesn't know the 'FILE #1="DNG1' command. I've been digging through
BASIC
manuals for BASIC-11 and BASIC-Plus but so far they either don't have an
file reading or their file reading commands don't match that syntax.
Googling has led me to a few other versions of BASIC that were on the
PDP-11
but I can't find manuals for them.
Can you point me in the right direction?
(The full code is here;
https://d2sx9mrt4zumaq.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/DND1_Comple
te.pdf)
(And it is part of this contest;
https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?p=39149)
---
00010 LET J4=1
00030 PRINT
00100 BASE 0
00110 LET X=0
00120 LET J=0
00130 LET K=0
00140 X1=0
00150 LET X3=0
00160 LET J9=RND(CLK(J9))
00170 DIM C(7),C$(7),W(100),D(50,50),P(100),I$(100),B(100,6),B$(100)
00180 DIM E(100),F(100),X5(100),X6(100),X2(100),X4(100)
00190 LET G=INT(RND(0)*24+2)
00200 LET H=INT(RND(0)*24+2)
00210 FILE #1="DNG1"
00220 FILE
#2="DNG2",#3="DNG3",#4="DNG4",#5="DNG5",#6="DNG6"
00230 RESTORE #4
00240 FILE #7="GMSTR"
00245 RESTORE #7
00250 RESTORE #1
00260 RESTORE #2
00261 RESTORE #3
00262 RESTORE #4
00263 RESTORE #5
00264 RESTORE #6
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7:54 a.m.
I don't think my posts are showing up on cctalk, so please forgive the
direct email.
It looks like similar to OS/78 BASIC for the PDP-8. (Though the syntax
is slightly off so maybe a later version or sibling of it?)
https://www.grc.com/pdp-8/docs/os8_basic_reference.pdf
around page 33 of that PDF (6-33 page number) is the RESTORE statement
and page 36 (6-36) is the FILE# statement.
Todd
* Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> [140924 19:20]:
I'm posting this on behalf of someone not on the
list. I didn't want to just
open them up to tons of replies, so figured I'd just post it for him and
relay any responses back. Can anyone solve his issue?
He wrote..
I'm trying to get some code that was written in 1977 working again. I've
gotten a PDP-11 emulator working but the version of BASIC that is on it
doesn't know the 'FILE #1="DNG1' command. I've been digging through
BASIC
manuals for BASIC-11 and BASIC-Plus but so far they either don't have an
file reading or their file reading commands don't match that syntax.
Googling has led me to a few other versions of BASIC that were on the PDP-11
but I can't find manuals for them.
Can you point me in the right direction?
(The full code is here;
https://d2sx9mrt4zumaq.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/DND1_Comple
te.pdf)
(And it is part of this contest; https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?p=39149)
---
00010 LET J4=1
00030 PRINT
00100 BASE 0
00110 LET X=0
00120 LET J=0
00130 LET K=0
00140 X1=0
00150 LET X3=0
00160 LET J9=RND(CLK(J9))
00170 DIM C(7),C$(7),W(100),D(50,50),P(100),I$(100),B(100,6),B$(100)
00180 DIM E(100),F(100),X5(100),X6(100),X2(100),X4(100)
00190 LET G=INT(RND(0)*24+2)
00200 LET H=INT(RND(0)*24+2)
00210 FILE #1="DNG1"
00220 FILE
#2="DNG2",#3="DNG3",#4="DNG4",#5="DNG5",#6="DNG6"
00230 RESTORE #4
00240 FILE #7="GMSTR"
00245 RESTORE #7
00250 RESTORE #1
00260 RESTORE #2
00261 RESTORE #3
00262 RESTORE #4
00263 RESTORE #5
00264 RESTORE #6
10:36 a.m.
On 25 September 2014 13:54, Todd Goodman <tsg at bonedaddy.net> wrote:
I don't think my posts are showing up on cctalk,
so please forgive the
direct email.
That /was/ a list post -- and it did show up.
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10:51 a.m.
* Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> [140925 10:36]:
On 25 September 2014 13:54, Todd Goodman <tsg at
bonedaddy.net> wrote:
Yes, I should have phrased that better. I CC'd Jay and was apologizing
for doing so. But good to know my posts are showing up.
Thanks,
Todd
I don't think my posts are showing up on
cctalk, so please forgive the
direct email.
That /was/ a list post -- and it did show up.
11:42 a.m.
And it was cc'd to me, so it showed up on my classiccmp email address as well.
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:36 AM
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Subject: Re: pdp BASIC-11 query
On 25 September 2014 13:54, Todd Goodman <tsg at bonedaddy.net> wrote:
I don't think my posts are showing up on cctalk,
so please forgive the
direct email.
That /was/ a list post -- and it did show up.
--
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10:51 a.m.
On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:54 AM, Todd Goodman <tsg at bonedaddy.net> wrote:
I don't think my posts are showing up on cctalk,
so please forgive the
direct email.
It looks like similar to OS/78 BASIC for the PDP-8. (Though the syntax
is slightly off so maybe a later version or sibling of it?)
https://www.grc.com/pdp-8/docs/os8_basic_reference.pdf
around page 33 of that PDF (6-33 page number) is the RESTORE statement
and page 36 (6-36) is the FILE# statement.
It?s reasonable enough to guess that the FILE statement opens a file by that name on that
channel, as in the OS/78 example you quoted. But RESTORE is an entirely different thing.
In the OS/78 manual it matches traditional BASIC, where it resets the DATA statement
pointer; it has no arguments. In this case, it looks (from the # sign) like a file
operation. If I had to guess, I would say it might reset the I/O pointer back to offset 0
(like a Unix lseek(0,0)). But that?s just a guess, and the OS/78 manual doesn?t give any
support.
On RT-11 BASIC: no, it isn?t that either. I worked on that, it looks like traditional
BASIC (like BASIC-PLUS without the later extensions).
paul
11:04 a.m.
On 9/25/14 7:51 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
On RT-11 BASIC: no, it isn?t that either. I worked on
that, it looks like traditional BASIC (like BASIC-PLUS without the later extensions).
it's MU-BASIC
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/basic/DEC-11-LIBRA-A-D_mubasic_May75.pdf
and it looks like the kiddies got nowhere figuring it out last April.
11:42 a.m.
On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 9/25/14 7:51 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
I see restore #n in that manual, but no file #n statement. It looks much more like the
(non-MU) RT-11 BASIC than like the sample in the original note.
And I?m still wondering about that date/time at the top of the listing (on the webpage).
That doesn?t look at all like a DEC timestamp, but it is exactly a CDC timestamp as seen
on the 60 bit mainframes.
Ok, I just found a NOS BASIC manual (BASIC 2.1, CDC document number 19980300). It
matches. Section 2 shows a FILE statement just as in the sample, and also, the examples
show the header on the LIST command output in exactly the form shown on the website.
Also, it shows the prompt ?READY.? (with period).
On RT-11 BASIC: no, it isn?t that either. I
worked on that, it looks like traditional BASIC (like BASIC-PLUS without the later
extensions).
it's MU-BASIC
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/basic/DEC-11-LIBRA-A-D_mubasic_May75.pdf
and it looks like the kiddies got nowhere figuring it out last April. From what that manual shows, the statements in question
do what you would think: FILE #n = ?FOO? is the same as standard BASIC OPEN ?foo? AS
FILE 1. And yes, RESTORE #n resets the file pointer to the start of the file.
paul
12:55 p.m.
On 9/25/14 8:42 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Ok, I just found a NOS BASIC manual (BASIC 2.1, CDC
document number 19980300).
http://bitsavers.org//pdf/cdc/cyber/lang/basic
in three different versions,
--
you're welcome..
1:44 p.m.
Nice, page 82 of this one
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/cdc/cyber/lang/basic/19983900K_BASIC…
Which says that basically RESTORE #n is an lseek(fd,0) as far as that BASIC
is concerned.
-_Chuck
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 9/25/14 8:42 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Ok, I just found a NOS BASIC manual (BASIC 2.1, CDC document number
19980300).
http://bitsavers.org//pdf/cdc/cyber/lang/basic
in three different versions,
--
you're welcome..
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