21 Jul
2003
21 Jul
'03
1:13 p.m.
If your a
current mac user the g5 WILL be alot faster then what you
have,
if your an Intel user I dont see a rush to buy
anything made by apple.
If
your a unix geek you might want a G5 just to say
you own one and make
fellow geeks unworthy of your presence.
The funny thing is mac users who laugh at PC guys
upgrading their
hardware
every year are now doing the same thing, except
its alot more costly
for
them buying complete new machines while PC users
just chuck the
motherboard/ram/video card in their old rig. This upgrade cycle of
hardware will eventually kill the mac market because only the very
rich
can keep up. What percentage of mac owners are
using OSX? What
percentage
> will upgrade to a current OSX running machine anytime soon? 
21 Jul
21 Jul
2:19 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seth Lewin" <sml49(a)comcast.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mac G5 / moving to OS X
That's not quite the case. Macs have a considerably longer useful life than
If your a current mac user the g5 WILL be alot faster
then what you
have,
if your an Intel user I dont see a rush to buy
anything made by apple.
If
your a unix geek you might want a G5 just to say
you own one and make
fellow geeks unworthy of your presence.
The funny thing is mac users who laugh at PC guys
upgrading their
hardware
every year are now doing the same thing, except
its alot more costly
for
them buying complete new machines while PC users
just chuck the
motherboard/ram/video card in their old rig. This upgrade cycle of
hardware will eventually kill the mac market because only the very
rich
can keep up. What percentage of mac owners are
using OSX? What
percentage
> will upgrade to a current OSX running machine anytime soon? PCs, generally, and are indeed upgradeable. I just
took my January 1999
model Blue G3/400 desktop, swapped the 8.5 GB Ultra2Wide SCSI disk
subsystem
for a fast 200 gig Maxtor and an ATA 133 card, slipped
in an 800 mhz G3
CPU
daughtercard and installed a Radeon 7000 instead of
the OEM Rage 128 and a
LiteOn 52x CDROM instead of the old Matushita 24x (I already have an
external 1394 burner) and a Kensington 3-button Studio Mouse. Runs OS
10.26
like a charm. Sure a G5 would be faster but this
setup handles a heavy
duty
OS10.26 without any strain, web pages render in a
flash etc. Plus this one
will still boot OS9 directly and I can use my old ADB keyboard of which
I'm
fond. I figure on getting a year or two more out of
this machine by which
time I may just buy a laptop and use the G3 for a file and web server. I
would've LIKED a new machine, but didn't NEED one. Of the four households
in this immediate family 3 are on OS X; only my 87 year old father in law
doesn't want to upgrade his 1998 rev A iMac and install it. That's 75%
penetration. Also the G3/400 daughtercard I removed is now installed in
what
was formerly a Beige G3/266 I keep at work as a
scanning station. That
leaves me with a spare ZIF G3/266 daughtercard. Anybody need one?
Seth Lewin
That machine was already OSX compatible and is still supported. My much
older PM8500 with 448mb ram, G3-400/1mb, usb card, acard 66 with 40x IDE
cdrom and 60gb 7200 rpm HD , ultimaterez 8mb video card can run OSX via
xpostfacto and is much older then your machine. I use it for OS 9.1 which it
runs very fast and have no plans on getting an OSX supported machine. Most
of the people I know who collect macs collect the 68k machines and have a
few PCI era machines also, and they all run either A/UX, linux, or macos.
Old PC's have a decent user life if you want to run the older dos/windows
3.x/win95 apps. While I think a G5 would be interesting to mess with (and
alot of people think the same) I dont see anybody I talk to even thinking
about buying one anytime soon. These same people upgrade their PC's every
year or 2.
I see alot of people trying to run Windows XP on real old hardware where it
runs like crap, just like alot of people trying to run OSX on hardware where
it runs very slow. I like to run the OS that is most productive for the
hardware.
5:48 p.m.
Hi Seth,
I'm curious if you bought those upgrades new, and what they cost?
--tnx
--tom
At 04:30 PM 7/18/2003 -0400, you wrote:
That's not quite the case. Macs have a considerably longer useful life than
PCs, generally, and are indeed upgradeable. I just took my January 1999
model Blue G3/400 desktop, swapped the 8.5 GB Ultra2Wide SCSI disk subsystem
for a fast 200 gig Maxtor and an ATA 133 card, slipped in an 800 mhz G3 CPU
daughtercard and installed a Radeon 7000 instead of the OEM Rage 128 and a
LiteOn 52x CDROM instead of the old Matushita 24x (I already have an
external 1394 burner) and a Kensington 3-button Studio Mouse. Runs OS 10.26
like a charm. Sure a G5 would be faster but this setup handles a heavy duty
OS10.26 without any strain, web pages render in a flash etc. Plus this one
will still boot OS9 directly and I can use my old ADB keyboard of which I'm
fond. I figure on getting a year or two more out of this machine by which
time I may just buy a laptop and use the G3 for a file and web server. I
would've LIKED a new machine, but didn't NEED one. Of the four households
in this immediate family 3 are on OS X; only my 87 year old father in law
doesn't want to upgrade his 1998 rev A iMac and install it. That's 75%
penetration. Also the G3/400 daughtercard I removed is now installed in what
was formerly a Beige G3/266 I keep at work as a scanning station. That
leaves me with a spare ZIF G3/266 daughtercard. Anybody need one?
Seth Lewin
If your a current mac user the g5 WILL be alot faster
then what you
have,
if your an Intel user I dont see a rush to buy
anything made by apple.
If
your a unix geek you might want a G5 just to say
you own one and make
fellow geeks unworthy of your presence.
The funny thing is mac users who laugh at PC guys
upgrading their
hardware
every year are now doing the same thing, except
its alot more costly
for
them buying complete new machines while PC users
just chuck the
motherboard/ram/video card in their old rig. This upgrade cycle of
hardware will eventually kill the mac market because only the very
rich
can keep up. What percentage of mac owners are
using OSX? What
percentage
> will upgrade to a current OSX running machine anytime soon? 
5:48 p.m.
Actually, I was wondering what you did with the leftover Rage 128.
<<<John>>>
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Seth Lewin
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:31 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Mac G5 / moving to OS X
That
leaves me with a spare ZIF G3/266 daughtercard. Anybody need one?
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