6 Dec
2014
6 Dec
'14
10:26 a.m.
Just checking a PSU in a MicroVAX 3100 Model 80. I am measuring about 10mV
ripple on the 5V supply and 20mV ripple on the 12V supply. Does that seem
reasonable?
I am not sure if it is a scope artefact, but there appear to be large spikes
at the top and bottom of each sawtooth. The machine appears to partially
work, it seems to be getting some errors during the memory test, but I don't
know if that is the spikes I am seeing or just a bad component somewhere.
Regards
Rob
6 Dec
6 Dec
12:58 p.m.
On 12/06/2014, 10:26 AM, Robert Jarratt wrote:
Just checking a PSU in a MicroVAX 3100 Model 80. I am
measuring about 10mV
ripple on the 5V supply and 20mV ripple on the 12V supply. Does that seem
reasonable?
I am not sure if it is a scope artefact, but there appear to be large spikes
at the top and bottom of each sawtooth. The machine appears to partially
work, it seems to be getting some errors during the memory test, but I don't
know if that is the spikes I am seeing or just a bad component somewhere.
Regards
Rob
TTL Logic is notorious for creating spikes, so you may have some (many?)
bad 0.1ufd (or 0.01ufd) caps on the logic bus. typically there is one
0.1ufd cap per TTL device.
Check any tantalums too if present on the bus.
The 'rules' from Don Lancaster most excellent book "TTL Cookbook" are:
(quote)
Here is a list of rules for capacitor placement. But the cardinal rule
is this: Use enough for your needs - and then add some more!
Use one 0.01 - 0.1uf short-leaded disc capacitor for every four gate
packages.
Use one 0.01 - 0.1uf short-leaded disc capacitor for every two MSI
packages (Medium Scale Integration).
Use a separate 0.01 - 0.1uf short-leaded disc capacitor for every
package separated more then 3 inches from the nearest bypass capacitor.
Use a 10uf - 6 volt tantalum capcitorwhere the +5V Line leaves the
circuit board.
(end quote).
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7 Dec
7 Dec
3:12 p.m.
On 12/6/2014 10:26 AM, Robert Jarratt wrote:
Just checking a PSU in a MicroVAX 3100 Model 80. I am
measuring about 10mV
ripple on the 5V supply and 20mV ripple on the 12V supply. Does that seem
reasonable?
Those are very reasonable ripple voltage levels on those supplies.
I am not sure if it is a scope artefact, but there
appear to be large spikes
at the top and bottom of each sawtooth. The machine appears to partially
work, it seems to be getting some errors during the memory test, but I don't
know if that is the spikes I am seeing or just a bad component somewhere.
Could be either ... depends on your scope probe setup. If you are using a
passive probe with a long flying ground lead, you can easily cause your scope to
display much larger spikes than exist in the circuit, due to the added
inductance of the flying ground lead.
The best possible probing can be had using a direct 50ohm coax wired across a
decoupling cap (or other convenient power/ground spot) into your scope as a
50ohm input. The probing ground loop will be very small and the scope will very
accurately reflect on its display what is happening in your circuit. It takes a
bit more work to set it up, but you will get a better view of what the board
power rail looks like.
HOWEVER you must be careful not to overload the power input of your 50ohm scope
termination.
Your scope must be able to handle V^2/R watts on its input, or 0.5W at 5V, and
3W at 12V. Probably OK at 5V, but not at 12V.
The solution is to add a series resistor on the center coax lead of for example
150ohm, so the scope only sees 50/(50+150) = 1/4 the input voltage.
At 12V then the scope will see only 3V, and the input scope termination must
only handle 200mW at 12V power rail.
Of course you must multiply the scope display by 4X to get the real voltage display.
Don
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