23 Jun
1998
23 Jun
'98
4:53 a.m.
>> But there's no way I can afford a Lisa at
the current collector's prices.
>> So, alas, there's a gap in the collection :-(
> So, would you trade an Imsai 8080 for a Lisa 2?
If I had an Imsai, then yes, I would. The Lisa is a
much more interesting
machine to me...
:)
Btw: I'm still looking for any genuine Xerox Star. I own two
SIEMENS EMS 5800 class systems (5810 and 5822) - OEM Stars,
but I like to add a 'real' one to them.
And for your question - The Lisa is, compared to the Star
like Windows 3.0 compared to a Macintosh. A cheap surogat.
The differences arn't that big at first sight, but when
working the wohle day just these 4 kesy on the left side
are like switching from a Volkswagen Beetle to a Mercedes T.
Gruss
Hans
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
23 Jun
23 Jun
9:35 a.m.
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2:18 p.m.
New subject: Xerox Daybreak
On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
I went to the "last" Star demo, and somebody (Sam?) asked whether Daybreak
was the code name for a Star prototype, but I didn't hear the answer.
Describe the Daybreak, and somebody who attended the demo can probably
tell you if it's a Star.
IIRC, the Star had both a custom microcoded CPU and had an 8080 (or 8085)
to handle I/O.
-- Doug
Btw: I'm
still looking for any genuine Xerox Star. I own two
So am I, actually. The only 2 Xerox machines I have are a Model 3000 word
processor (seems to be an 8085-based machine) and a Daybreak. I know very
little about the latter (one day I'll figure it out), but it was cheap
enought to be worth grabbing. 
2:56 p.m.
New subject: Xerox Daybreak
On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Doug Yowza wrote:
As I recall, "Daybreak" was an unoffical name for the later model of the
Star (8035?) because of the software package it ran, or something like
that. Damn, I wasn't paying the best attention. I was blabbing to Paul
Coad who was sitting next to me and probably preventing him from hearing
any useful information either (sorry, Paul :)
So am I,
actually. The only 2 Xerox machines I have are a Model 3000 word
processor (seems to be an 8085-based machine) and a Daybreak. I know very
little about the latter (one day I'll figure it out), but it was cheap
enought to be worth grabbing.
I went to the "last" Star demo, and somebody (Sam?) asked whether Daybreak
was the code name for a Star prototype, but I didn't hear the answer.
Describe the Daybreak, and somebody who attended the demo can probably
tell you if it's a Star. IIRC, the Star had both a custom microcoded CPU and
had an 8080 (or 8085)
to handle I/O.
I believe 8080 is correct (remember, the design was started in the 1975
timeframe, but did extend into 1981 when it was released). The 8085 is
circa 1976. Why didn't I take better notes!? ;)
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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4:28 p.m.
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2:43 p.m.
On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
Actually, Tony, we in the Silicon Valley area were recently treated to a
live demo of the Star at Xerox PARC, and one of the things we learned was
that the "Daybreak" (we're talking about the brown tower case about 2'
high x 16" deep by 16" wide, right?) is a later model of the Star (Model
8035 I believe?) So I hope I'm remembering all this correctly, and I hope
someone will jump in here if I'm wrong, but you may actually have a Star
in your midst.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Btw: I'm
still looking for any genuine Xerox Star. I own two
So am I, actually. The only 2 Xerox machines I have are a Model 3000 word
processor (seems to be an 8085-based machine) and a Daybreak. I know very
little about the latter (one day I'll figure it out), but it was cheap
enought to be worth grabbing.
4:23 p.m.
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8:19 p.m.
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
The Star that I remember from a Xerox demo, lo these many years ago, had
a white case.
- don
Actually,
Tony, we in the Silicon Valley area were recently treated to a
live demo of the Star at Xerox PARC, and one of the things we learned was
that the "Daybreak" (we're talking about the brown tower case about 2'
high x 16" deep by 16" wide, right?) is a later model of the Star (Model
It's a little smaller than that, but it is the brown tower case machine.
And it's related to the Star (and to all the other D-machines). 8035 I
believe?) So I hope I'm remembering all this correctly, and I hope
someone will jump in here if I'm wrong, but you may actually have a Star
in your midst.
Well, I have a related machine. Needless to say (as an ancient
workstation enthusiast), I'd like a Star, and all the other D-machines,
and a ...
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
-tony
24 Jun
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