25 Apr
2007
25 Apr
'07
11 a.m.
Seeking recommendations for a good MSDOS/FreeDOS-compatible binary file viewer
(hex / ASCII modes) to stick on my Imagedisk machine...
Technically I don't actually need any editing facilities - just the viewer
side would do.
I think PCTools came with a reasonable one at one point, but there's probably
something better out there that's downloadable...
cheers
Jules
25 Apr
25 Apr
11:26 a.m.
On 25 Apr 2007 at 13:00, Jules Richardson wrote:
Seeking recommendations for a good
MSDOS/FreeDOS-compatible binary file viewer
(hex / ASCII modes) to stick on my Imagedisk machine...
Technically I don't actually need any editing facilities - just the viewer
side would do.
I think PCTools came with a reasonable one at one point, but there's probably
something better out there that's downloadable...
You can't beat Vern Buerg's Veneered and Generated LIST. After many
years, still my favorite.
http://www.buerg.com/
Cheers,
Chuck
26 Apr
26 Apr
1:08 p.m.
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 11:26 -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 25 Apr 2007 at 13:00, Jules Richardson wrote:
That's got MY vote, FWIW.
Peace,
Warren E. Wolfe
wizard at voyager.net
Seeking recommendations for a good
MSDOS/FreeDOS-compatible binary file viewer
(hex / ASCII modes) to stick on my Imagedisk machine...
You can't beat Vern Buerg's Veneered and Generated LIST. After many
years, still my favorite.
http://www.buerg.com/ 
30 Apr
30 Apr
2:28 p.m.
Warren Wolfe wrote:
It's nice to see LIST getting the votes, but it's very slow on 808x
hardware, which was Dave's target platform.
--
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You can't
beat Vern Buerg's Veneered and Generated LIST. After many
years, still my favorite.
http://www.buerg.com/
That's got MY vote, FWIW.
3:44 p.m.
On 30 Apr 2007 at 16:28, Jim Leonard wrote:
How about a down-level version of LIST? Go to simtel. net and search
for "Buerg". You'll find List77a, List93a and the source for List60.
Cheers,
Chuck
That's got MY vote, FWIW.
It's nice to see LIST getting the votes, but it's very slow on 808x
hardware, which was Dave's target platform.
7:04 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 at 16:28, Jim Leonard wrote:
How about a down-level version of LIST? Go to simtel. net and search
for "Buerg". You'll find List77a, List93a and the source for List60.
Still too slow. LIST insists on buffering in 64K chunks, and it's not a
sliding window, it's a hard break. So you'll hit PGDN, half the screen
will display, then you wait 5 seconds, then the rest. It makes quick
viewing a PITA.
Anyway, it looks like I'll have to add hex viewing to my viewer; when
done, I'll post a link here.
--
Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/
Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/
That's got MY
vote, FWIW.
It's nice to see LIST getting the votes, but it's very slow on
808x
hardware, which was Dave's target platform. 
10:24 p.m.
On Apr 30, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
It's nice to see LIST getting the votes, but it's very slow on 808x
hardware, which was Dave's target platform.
Buh?? I don't think I've ever seen a lighter-weight piece of
software than LIST...I used it daily when my 8MHz V20-based PC clone
was considered a screamer, and it was never any slower than "instant".
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
You can't beat Vern Buerg's Veneered and
Generated LIST. After
many years, still my favorite.
http://www.buerg.com/
That's got MY vote, FWIW.
11:45 p.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
An 8MHz 8086 is more than twice as fast as Dave's target hardware (a
4.77MHz 8088). On such a machine, it would be tolerable.
Look, it's a nice viewer, but view a file out of a ramdisk on a 4.77MHz
8088 if you don't believe me. There's a 5-second minimum startup delay
to fill a buffer, then another delay when you cross memory windows. If
you're trying to inspect more than a handful of files at the same time,
it gets frustrating.
Don't confuse small size and age with "lightweight". A Boyer-Moore
search algorithm written in Pascal will outperform a REP CMPSB in
assembler. LIST is flexible but it's not the fastest.
--
Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org)
World's largest electronic gaming project: http://www.MobyGames.com/
A delicious slice of the demoscene: http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/
Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/
It's nice
to see LIST getting the votes, but it's very slow on 808x
hardware, which was Dave's target platform.
Buh?? I don't think I've ever seen a lighter-weight piece of
software than LIST...I used it daily when my 8MHz V20-based PC clone
was considered a screamer, and it was never any slower than "instant".
1 May
1 May
9:58 a.m.
On May 1, 2007, at 2:45 AM, Jim Leonard wrote:
An 8MHz 8086 is more than twice as fast as Dave's target hardware
(a 4.77MHz 8088). On such a machine, it would be tolerable.
Look, it's a nice viewer, but view a file out of a ramdisk on a
4.77MHz 8088 if you don't believe me. There's a 5-second minimum
startup delay to fill a buffer, then another delay when you cross
memory windows. If you're trying to inspect more than a handful of
files at the same time, it gets frustrating.
Hmm. Well admittedly that was twenty years ago; it's certainly
quite possible that there was frustration involved that I don't
recall now. I have nothing but fond memories of LIST.COM, and I tend
to be not very forgiving about stuff that frustrates me.
It's nice to see LIST getting the votes, but
it's very slow on
808x hardware, which was Dave's target platform.
Buh?? I don't think
I've ever seen a lighter-weight piece of
software than LIST...I used it daily when my 8MHz V20-based PC
clone was considered a screamer, and it was never any slower than
"instant". Don't confuse small size and age with
"lightweight".
Um...I *wasn't*; I based my comments on having used the program
all the time on what was then considered current hardware. Please
keep in mind that some of us here (yourself included of course) have
actually used this stuff before it became "antique".
A Boyer-Moore search algorithm written in Pascal
will outperform
a REP CMPSB in assembler. LIST is flexible but it's not the fastest.
Understood. And I've certainly not run it on a 4.77MHz 8088.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
25 Apr
25 Apr
11:31 a.m.
Jules Richardson wrote:
Seeking recommendations for a good MSDOS/FreeDOS-compatible binary file
viewer (hex / ASCII modes) to stick on my Imagedisk machine...
Technically I don't actually need any editing facilities - just the
viewer side would do.
I think PCTools came with a reasonable one at one point, but there's
probably something better out there that's downloadable...
I wrote one but it might not serve your needs; it was built as the
fastest way to view text in a binary file. Check it out here:
http://www.oldskool.org/pc/texview
My focus was instant start and fast screen writing (in fact, I make the
claim that the included text "fastwrite" code is the fastest for 808x on
the planet, with or without "snow" handling).
If you want hex, I could be persuaded to add a traditional hex view,
just email me what you're looking for privately.
--
Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/
Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/
7:50 p.m.
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at
yahoo.co.uk>
Seeking recommendations for a good MSDOS/FreeDOS-compatible binary file
viewer (hex / ASCII modes) to stick on my Imagedisk machine...
Technically I don't actually need any editing facilities - just the viewer
side would do.
I think PCTools came with a reasonable one at one point, but there's
probably something better out there that's downloadable...
Hi
If you can find a copy of xtree. It not only has a great file and dirctory
handler, one can view and edit files, displayed in HEX. Many thimes I've
used it to edit image files or just look at files. It shows ascii on the
side
while viewing as well.
Dwight
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11:01 p.m.
Hi,
If you can find a copy of xtree. It not only has a
great file
and dirctory handler, one can view and edit files, displayed in
HEX....
Yeah, I used XTree for *many* years under DOS. Can't recommend it highly
enough, though I personally prefer the earlier versions.
Used it in preference to M$ Windows until I finally gave in and got Win95
around 1997. In fact, to this day, I use "Windows Explorer" to manage my
data in much the same way I used XTree....it's the first program I fire
up....
TTFN - Pete.
11:15 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ensor" <classiccmp at memory-alpha.org.uk>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Good DOS binary file viewer?
I still use Xtree 3 for DOS machines, looking for a boxed 4.0 for Windows
3.1 too.
Norton had some kind of app like that as well.
30 Apr
30 Apr
11:44 p.m.
New subject: Big IBM stuff at auction closing soon.
Big and heavy IBM stuff closing soon. I could probably help someone
pick this up and move it in the SF bay area.
http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=185531
Bob
27 Apr
27 Apr
2:01 a.m.
This was given to me by the VAT inspector a few years ago
www.archivist.info/fred
The clever part is it can have record offsets and sizes set so it make
browsing a db file easy
Dave Caroline
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