6 Feb
2016
6 Feb
'16
7:40 p.m.
There is the software side to classic computing: Back in the early
days we wrote/coded in BASIC-TinyBASIC running in 2K(talk about
writing efficient code!); EASY and SmallFORTRAN. What apps/programs
are written in today I don?t know. They certainly can?t run in 2 or 4
K but is the outcome the same ? make a computer or computer-like
machine do what we want it to.
On the lighter side: ?Computers can never completely replace humans.
They may become capable of artificial intelligence(much in the news
today), but they will never master real stupidity.?
Happy computing all.
Murray :)
7 Feb
7 Feb
3:31 a.m.
Murray McCullough skrev den 2016-02-07 01:40:
On the lighter side: ?Computers can never completely replace humans.
They may become capable of artificial intelligence(much in the news
today), but they will never master real stupidity.?
Or to quite a poem from my early days in programming (ca 1969) ?
I really hate this damned machine
I wish that they would sell it
it never does quite what I want
but only what I tell it
/Nico
8 Feb
8 Feb
3:46 p.m.
On 02/07/16 09:31, nico at farumdata.dk wrote:
I really hate this damned machine
I wish that they would sell it
it never does quite what I want
but only what I tell it
I'm still working on a "do-what-I-want" program. It's difficult to
implement...
But I already have a good idea of the layout of the GUI version:
Just one big red button in the middle of the window with description "Do
what I want".
:-)
regards,
chris
3:54 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Christian Groessler <ccmpcpg at yahoo.de>
wrote:
On 02/07/16 09:31, nico at farumdata.dk wrote:
I recall a version of Prolog that had a DWIM ('do what I mean') mode,
which
applied some heuristics to minimize the impact of typos. I'm not sure that
I like the idea of the machine second-guessing my logic - I usually leave
that to my Spousal Unit. -- Ian
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
I really hate this damned machine
I wish that they would sell it
it never does quite what I want
but only what I tell it
I'm still working on a "do-what-I-want" program. It's difficult to
implement...
But I already have a good idea of the layout of the GUI version:
Just one big red button in the middle of the window with description "Do
what I want".
:-)
regards,
chris
4:01 p.m.
This reminds me that last year when MARCH (Mid-Atlantic Retro
Computing Hobbyists) restored a PDP-8 that had come from a high school
computing club, they dumped the magnetic core memory and found three
programs:
1. A program to dump memory contents to paper tape
2. Some common utilities for debugging
3. At address 200 there was a program that had a fatal bug in it, but
had the young high school programmer been successful in fixing it, it
would've printed out the string "COMPUTERS ARE SHIT."
-Dan
On 2/8/16, Christian Groessler <ccmpcpg at yahoo.de> wrote:
On 02/07/16 09:31, nico at farumdata.dk wrote:
I really hate this damned machine
I wish that they would sell it
it never does quite what I want
but only what I tell it
I'm still working on a "do-what-I-want" program. It's difficult to
implement...
But I already have a good idea of the layout of the GUI version:
Just one big red button in the middle of the window with description "Do
what I want".
:-)
regards,
chris
12:31 p.m.
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Murray McCullough <
c.murray.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
There is the software side to classic computing: Back
in the early
days we wrote/coded in BASIC-TinyBASIC running in 2K(talk about
writing efficient code!); EASY and SmallFORTRAN. What apps/programs
are written in today I don?t know. They certainly can?t run in 2 or 4
K but is the outcome the same ? make a computer or computer-like
machine do what we want it to.
How about FORTH? I've always been fond of it, even if it is a write-only
language. There's a version called SOL-11 that will run in 4kW on a
PDP-11, but it requires the EIS - so much for running that on my PDP-11/20.
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
12:35 p.m.
On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Ian S. King <isking at
uw.edu> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Murray McCullough <
c.murray.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
There's FIG-Forth for the PDP11. That has a few EIS instructions in it but that would
be quite easy to change.
paul
There is the software side to classic computing:
Back in the early
days we wrote/coded in BASIC-TinyBASIC running in 2K(talk about
writing efficient code!); EASY and SmallFORTRAN. What apps/programs
are written in today I don?t know. They certainly can?t run in 2 or 4
K but is the outcome the same ? make a computer or computer-like
machine do what we want it to.
How about FORTH? I've always been fond of it, even if it is a write-only
language. There's a version called SOL-11 that will run in 4kW on a
PDP-11, but it requires the EIS - so much for running that on my PDP-11/20.
12:44 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
11/20....
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Ian S. King
<isking at uw.edu> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Murray McCullough <
c.murray.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
PDP-11/20.
There's FIG-Forth for the PDP11. That has a few EIS instructions in it
but that would be quite easy to change.
paul
FIG-Forth runs on RT-11, right? I only have the original 4kW in my There is the software side to classic computing:
Back in the early
days we wrote/coded in BASIC-TinyBASIC running in 2K(talk about
writing efficient code!); EASY and SmallFORTRAN. What apps/programs
are written in today I don?t know. They certainly can?t run in 2 or 4
K but is the outcome the same ? make a computer or computer-like
machine do what we want it to.
How about FORTH? I've always been fond of it, even if it is a write-only
language. There's a version called SOL-11 that will run in 4kW on a
PDP-11, but it requires the EIS - so much for running that on my
1:36 p.m.
On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Ian S. King <isking at
uw.edu> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
The version I first saw was for RT-11, yes. But converting it for bare metal is not a big
job; the I/O is very basic.
paul
...
There's FIG-Forth for the PDP11. That has a few EIS instructions in it
but that would be quite easy to change.
paul
FIG-Forth runs on RT-11, right? I only have the original 4kW in my
11/20....
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