23 Dec
2016
23 Dec
'16
8:06 a.m.
Hi Folks,
I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly in 'working' condition.
However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and will need to be transported by
freight. Before it's palletized, are there any special precautions I should take to
ensure its safe travel. I'm especially worried about the drum (drum lock?), but
haven't been able to find a maintenance or setup doc.
Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
Thanks,
Cory Heisterkamp
23 Dec
23 Dec
11:45 a.m.
On 12/23/2016 08:06 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
Hi Folks,
I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly in 'working'
condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and
will need to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are
there any special precautions I should take to ensure its safe
travel. I'm especially worried about the drum (drum lock?), but
haven't been able to find a maintenance or setup doc.
Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
Is this the LGP-30 that came up for auction in Canada?
Personally, I'd buy a plane ticket and supervise the packing. There
are, IIRC, 110 or so tubes, a drum and other goodies that should
probably be removed and shipped separately. Nothing like getting a box
o' broken glass to make life interesting.
--Chuck
11:54 a.m.
take a ski trip while you're there.
Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
On Dec 23, 2016 2:46 PM, "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 12/23/2016 08:06 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
Hi Folks,
I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly in 'working'
condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and
will need to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are
there any special precautions I should take to ensure its safe
travel. I'm especially worried about the drum (drum lock?), but
haven't been able to find a maintenance or setup doc.
Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
Is this the LGP-30 that came up for auction in Canada?
Personally, I'd buy a plane ticket and supervise the packing. There
are, IIRC, 110 or so tubes, a drum and other goodies that should
probably be removed and shipped separately. Nothing like getting a box
o' broken glass to make life interesting.
--Chuck
11:57 a.m.
I 2nd what Chuck recommended, if that's not an option find someone you 100%
trust. Anything that shock would hurt, have it removed, then one could find
a electronic equipment mover. Most of the big moving van companies provide
that service.
-pete
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 12/23/2016 08:06 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
Hi Folks,
I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly in 'working'
condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and
will need to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are
there any special precautions I should take to ensure its safe
travel. I'm especially worried about the drum (drum lock?), but
haven't been able to find a maintenance or setup doc.
Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
Is this the LGP-30 that came up for auction in Canada?
Personally, I'd buy a plane ticket and supervise the packing. There
are, IIRC, 110 or so tubes, a drum and other goodies that should
probably be removed and shipped separately. Nothing like getting a box
o' broken glass to make life interesting.
--Chuck
12:27 p.m.
One more thought.
IIRC, there's quite a large motor that's used for the drum (mounted just
below the drum). That should be removed and shipped separately also.
I cannot envision the carnage should that big hunk of iron break loose
during shipping.
--Chuck
1 p.m.
On Dec 23, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at
sydex.com> wrote:
One more thought.
IIRC, there's quite a large motor that's used for the drum (mounted just
below the drum). That should be removed and shipped separately also.
I cannot envision the carnage should that big hunk of iron break loose
during shipping.
That sounds good if the motor spindle bearings aren't also positioning the drum
spindle. The equivalent is generally true for fixed head disks, I don't know what
drums do. Obviously if it's belt driven, or if the motor is mounted in flexible
brackets, then that isn't an issue.
This goes back to the earlier discussion about not dismantling parts that are involved in
precision alignment.
paul
1:06 p.m.
On 12/23/2016 1:27 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
One more thought.
IIRC, there's quite a large motor that's used for the drum (mounted just
below the drum). That should be removed and shipped separately also.
I cannot envision the carnage should that big hunk of iron break loose
during shipping.
--Chuck
Check the docs, for how to unpack and setup your new ...,
then just reverse that. I see several wooden crates in your future.
Ben.
4:14 p.m.
On Dec 23, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
I 2nd what Chuck recommended, if that's not an
option find someone you 100%
trust. Anything that shock would hurt, have it removed, then one could find
a electronic equipment mover. Most of the big moving van companies provide
that service.
-pete
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
> On 12/23/2016 08:06 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly in 'working'
>> condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and
>> will need to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are
>> there any special precautions I should take to ensure its safe
>> travel. I'm especially worried about the drum (drum lock?), but
>> haven't been able to find a maintenance or setup doc.
>>
>> Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
>>
>
> Is this the LGP-30 that came up for auction in Canada?
>
> Personally, I'd buy a plane ticket and supervise the packing. There
> are, IIRC, 110 or so tubes, a drum and other goodies that should
> probably be removed and shipped separately. Nothing like getting a box
> o' broken glass to make life interesting.
>
> --Chuck
>
>
Well, I think you guys have convinced me that a trip is in order. Better safe than sorry
with a piece of equipment like this.
Yep Chuck, this is the CA machine. I was surprised it never reared its head on classiccmp
the past few days. -C
24 Dec
24 Dec
3:35 a.m.
Well, I think you guys have convinced me that a trip
is in order. Better
safe than sorry with a piece of equipment like this.
Yep Chuck, this is the CA machine. I was surprised it never reared its
head on
classiccmp the past few days. -C
Believe me, I for one was interested, and I was in contact with the
seller. The expense and effort, as much as I'd love to work on restoring
this, was too great to pull the trigger.
What are you going to do with this? I did not notice if a Flexowriter was
included.
Here are my notes on the LGP 30
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=596
26 Dec
26 Dec
8:01 a.m.
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016, william degnan wrote:
Here are my notes on the LGP 30
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=596
There are several errors in those notes:
- "The basic (hardware) bootstrap in LGP-30 mnemonic format:"
There is no hardware bootstrap.
- The addresses in the bootstrap loader (program 9.0) must be hexadecimal
and the bootstrap is entred as follows:
C3W00 - P0000
C3W04 - I0000
C3W08 - C3W14
C3W0J - P0000
C3W10 - I0000
U3W00
- "4-character binary equivalent of the flexowriter single-character ascii
commands"
Ehm, ASCII wasn't "invented" at that time. There are no Flexowriter
commands, the Flexowriter code is the LGP-30 code.
- "First "B4627" is converted into binary-coded decimal format and entered
into the accumulator"
There's no conversion, the character code of the Flexowriter *is* the
binary code of the LGP-30.
- "The accumulator is actually 64 separate 32-bit accumulators (one for
each drum track), same value on each copy."
???
The accumulator is one track with 32 double-width (i.e. 64 bits) sectors.
You need the long accumulator when multiplying two 31-bit numbers (you
can't store a 32 bit number to the memory because the LSB is always 0)
All the registers are circulating registers meaning that the contents is
read and immediately written back to ensure that it is accessible at any
word (sector) time.
Everything you need to know about the architecture and programming of the
machine can be found in the manuals BTW (including schematics, flow
charts, instruction description etc.). The manuals are online since many
many years.
Christian
8:43 a.m.
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Christian Corti <
cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016, william degnan wrote:
You addressed me publicly so I will reply publicly. Several "errors"
might
be a few clicks too harsh given a person can get the idea of what I clearly
meant AND I was referring to simH, trying to figure out how to make the
simH of the LGP-30 work. I don't have an actual machine and don't claim to
be an expert in its use, not the Flexowriter...have a spare?
Here are my notes on the LGP 30
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=596
There are several errors in those notes:
- "The basic (hardware) bootstrap in LGP-30
mnemonic format:"
There is no hardware bootstrap.
I put hardware in parens for a reason. For me its a way to communicate the
"level" of the bootstrap I could not think of a better way at the time to
describe how it works in *simH*, which is what I was writing about in my
post titled "SIMH Emulator - 1956 LGP-30 Computer".
- The addresses in the bootstrap loader (program 9.0)
must be hexadecimal
and the bootstrap is entred as follows:
C3W00 - P0000
C3W04 - I0000
C3W08 - C3W14
C3W0J - P0000
C3W10 - I0000
U3W00
Thanks, good to know. I was writing from a SIMH standpoint, not the actual
machine.
- "4-character binary equivalent of the
flexowriter single-character ascii
commands"
Ehm, ASCII wasn't "invented" at that time. There are no Flexowriter
commands, the Flexowriter code is the LGP-30 code.
Yes, but the Flexowriter encoding is not the same as ascii, but ascii is a
common format someone today can relate to and convert from. One can
translate Flexo encoding into ascii and you need to be able to do this to
effectively use SIMH if you don't have a Flexowriter.
- "First "B4627" is converted into binary-coded decimal format and
entered
into the accumulator"
There's no conversion, the character code of the Flexowriter *is* the
binary code of the LGP-30.
OK. I converted in my head to understand it logically while using SIMH,
This is a necessary step if you want to try to load in a bootstrap into
the simH drum, etc.
- "The accumulator is actually 64 separate 32-bit
accumulators (one for
each drum track), same value on each copy."
???
Yes but you know what I mean, I am working in a vacuum teaching myself, I
could have been more precise, but that's how I understood it at the time I
wrote what I wrote.
The accumulator is one track with 32 double-width
(i.e. 64 bits) sectors.
You need the long accumulator when multiplying two 31-bit numbers (you
can't store a 32 bit number to the memory because the LSB is always 0)
All the registers are circulating registers meaning that the contents is
read and immediately written back to ensure that it is accessible at any
word (sector) time.
Everything you need to know about the architecture and programming of the
machine can be found in the manuals BTW (including schematics, flow charts,
instruction description etc.). The manuals are online since many many years.
Christian
I have all of the manuals. Basically I sat down at a simH prompt and the
manuals and tried with only that to make sense of the LGP-30. I take it
you have a machine at your disposal, I wish I did too. Thanks for sharing
your knowledge, I will update my web site to make it more accurate.
Bill
24 Dec
24 Dec
11:39 a.m.
On 2016-Dec-23, at 4:14 PM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
Was this ebayed?
Just found this mention on VCFed from a week ago:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?55364-1956-Binary-Desk-Computer-L…
I see Vancouver is mentioned:
"I've been told that this was the oldest computer in Vancouver"
As a lifelong area resident, I'd be interested in hearing anything known of the
lineage, where it came from and when it left Vancouver.
Would love to have worked on it if it was once nearby.
Congrats to Cory for the acquisition, should be an exciting project.
On Fri, Dec
23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
> On 12/23/2016 08:06 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly in 'working'
>> condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and
>> will need to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are
>> there any special precautions I should take to ensure its safe
>> travel. I'm especially worried about the drum (drum lock?), but
>> haven't been able to find a maintenance or setup doc.
>>
>> Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
>>
>
> Is this the LGP-30 that came up for auction in Canada?
>
> Personally, I'd buy a plane ticket and supervise the packing. There
> are, IIRC, 110 or so tubes, a drum and other goodies that should
> probably be removed and shipped separately. Nothing like getting a box
> o' broken glass to make life interesting.
>
Well, I think you guys have convinced me that a trip is in order. Better safe than sorry
with a piece of equipment like this.
Yep Chuck, this is the CA machine. I was surprised it never reared its head on classiccmp
the past few days. -C
11:40 a.m.
On 2016-Dec-23, at 4:14 PM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
Was this ebayed?
Just found this mention on VCFed from a week ago:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?55364-1956-Binary-Desk-Computer-L…
I see Vancouver is mentioned:
"I've been told that this was the oldest computer in Vancouver"
As a lifelong area resident, I'd be interested in hearing anything known of the
lineage, where it came from and when it left Vancouver.
Would love to have worked on it if it was once nearby.
Congrats to Cory for the acquisition, should be an exciting project.
On Fri, Dec
23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
> On 12/23/2016 08:06 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly in 'working'
>> condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and
>> will need to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are
>> there any special precautions I should take to ensure its safe
>> travel. I'm especially worried about the drum (drum lock?), but
>> haven't been able to find a maintenance or setup doc.
>>
>> Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
>>
>
> Is this the LGP-30 that came up for auction in Canada?
>
> Personally, I'd buy a plane ticket and supervise the packing. There
> are, IIRC, 110 or so tubes, a drum and other goodies that should
> probably be removed and shipped separately. Nothing like getting a box
> o' broken glass to make life interesting.
>
Well, I think you guys have convinced me that a trip is in order. Better safe than sorry
with a piece of equipment like this.
Yep Chuck, this is the CA machine. I was surprised it never reared its head on classiccmp
the past few days. -C 
25 Dec
25 Dec
2:20 p.m.
>>> On 12/23/2016 08:06 AM, Cory Heisterkamp
wrote:
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>> I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly in
'working'
>>>> condition.
I worked just a little bit on a Bendix G-15, a machine
from
about the same vintage. 300 vacuum tubes, about 3000
silicon (I think) diodes, and a drum. Really, there are so
MANY parts in a machine of that vintage that would be really
tough to get, it could be an incredible project to get it
running. The G-15 had an IBM executive typewriter modded as
the console, with a box of about 50 telephone relays as the
decode/encode matrix, driven by thyratron tubes. Our drum
came pre-scored, I think 3 tracks were grooved down to the
brass layer. They had REALLY poor sealing of the drum.
Part of it was very good, but several large wire bundles
came in through a drawn aluminum cover with caterpillar
grommets. So, no attempt to seal the drum at all, therefore
lots of dirt got in and packed under the fixed heads.
Hopefully your LGP-30 has a better arrangement there.
But, lots of connectors, tube sockets, and similar parts may
be hard to get, not to mention the number of marginal tubes
that you might need to replace.
I know on the Bendix G-15 the logic was really convoluted,
to save tubes. So, they chained several layers of and and
or gates together before an amplifying tube, to do as much
logic as possible with each tube.
Then, of course, you'd need to resurrect some bit of
software to do anything meaningful. Wow, sounds like a big
project.
Jon
6 p.m.
On 12/25/16 2:20 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
you'd need to resurrect some bit of software to do anything meaningful.
a lot already is on line
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/lgp30/
ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/cm/lgp30/
6:03 p.m.
and this shows the major assemblies
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev/lgp30_40/lgp30_deko.h…
On 12/25/16 6:00 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 12/25/16 2:20 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
you'd need to resurrect some bit of software to do anything meaningful.
a lot already is on line
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/lgp30/
ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/cm/lgp30/
8:47 p.m.
On Dec 25, 2016 9:01 PM, "Al Kossow" <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
and this shows the major assemblies
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev/lgp30_40/lgp30_deko.h…
On 12/25/16 6:00 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
I have most original manuals and a lot of code and notes toom
On 12/25/16 2:20 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
you'd need to resurrect some bit of software to do anything meaningful.
a lot already is on line
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/lgp30/
ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/cm/lgp30/
2:07 p.m.
Christian Corti <cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:
If you tell me its serial number I can eventually tell
you who
was/were the previous owner(s) ;-)
"Underhill Engineering Co Ltd" painted on the top in the eBay pictures
(if you squint) is a bit of a giveaway!
They have a nice page about the machine's history:
http://www.underhill.ca/land-survey-project/15/underhill-engineering-comput…
--
Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> <http://offog.org/>
27 Dec
27 Dec
12:56 a.m.
On Mon, 26 Dec 2016, Adam Sampson wrote:
"Underhill Engineering Co Ltd" painted on
the top in the eBay pictures
(if you squint) is a bit of a giveaway!
I was only able to see "Under...".
They have a nice page about the machine's
history:
http://www.underhill.ca/land-survey-project/15/underhill-engineering-comput…
Oh, thank you, these are nice pictures :-)
Hmm, I don't find Underhill or Vancouver mentioned in the POOL users list.
But the list is incomplete. Anyways we would all be interested in the
serial number if Cory gets a chance to look it up (at the drum side of the
main frame when you open the cover)
It's nice to see that another LGP-30 is still alive (at least physically)
;-)
Christian
26 Dec
26 Dec
7:37 a.m.
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
I recently became the owner of an LGP-30, supposedly
in 'working'
condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and will
need to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are there any
special precautions I should take to ensure its safe travel. I'm
especially worried about the drum (drum lock?), but haven't been able to
find a maintenance or setup doc.
Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
- Remove all tube modules and pack them in boxes (with good padding)
- Remove the drum and stuff/pack it separately (remove the belt going to
the small motor below the drum and unscrew the drum assembly from the
frame)
- Remove all side panels and the cover; there's nothing more annoying than
dented panels caused by fixating the frame to the panel and/or truck.
Do you get software and manuals with your machine?
Christian
PS: Just found the auction... you paid *WHAT*??? Wow... for a machine in a
quite battered shape. What idiot put the heavy Flexowriter on the
fragile top?? Where's the cable connecting the Flexowriter to the
computer? Oh, and it works without a power cable... Sorry, I had to make
those comments ;-)
Good luck and enjoy playing with your new computer :-)
7:49 a.m.
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Christian Corti <
cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
aw come on :-) This is a one of a kind thing. There is a value in knowing
you have a project that will keep you busy, assuming you enjoy this kind of
thing, for a long time. On the other end will be a lot of new knowledge.
I have manuals for this machine, they're out there. I have a neat training
manual that was used by LGP to train new users. They really looked at this
thing to be a personal computer. This was some may claim by some
definition the *first* personal computer.
Bill
I recently became the owner of an LGP-30,
supposedly in 'working'
condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and will need
to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are there any special
precautions I should take to ensure its safe travel. I'm especially worried
about the drum (drum lock?), but haven't been able to find a maintenance or
setup doc.
Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
- Remove all tube modules and pack them in boxes (with good padding)
- Remove the drum and stuff/pack it separately (remove the belt going to
the small motor below the drum and unscrew the drum assembly from the frame)
- Remove all side panels and the cover; there's nothing more annoying than
dented panels caused by fixating the frame to the panel and/or truck.
Do you get software and manuals with your machine?
Christian
PS: Just found the auction... you paid *WHAT*??? Wow... for a machine in a
quite battered shape. What idiot put the heavy Flexowriter on the fragile
top?? Where's the cable connecting the Flexowriter to the computer? Oh, and
it works without a power cable... Sorry, I had to make those comments ;-)
Good luck and enjoy playing with your new computer :-)
7:53 a.m.
They really looked at this thing to be a personal computer. This was
some may claim by some definition the *first* personal computer.
Note I am being very careful not to call this "the first personal
computer", but it's certainly a personal computer and it was one of the
first stored program computer intended for one operator in real time, etc.
Bill
28 Dec
28 Dec
8:38 a.m.
On Dec 26, 2016, at 8:49 AM, william degnan wrote:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Christian Corti
<
cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
Guys, thanks for all the feedback. A challenge? Absolutely. But this is likely as close as
I'll ever come to having a first generation machine, something unfathomable to me as a
kid.
Apologies for the radio-silence, we've put 1200+ miles under our belts since Monday
morning. Today we cross into Alberta. Will keep you all posted on how it goes.
Thanks,
Cory
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
aw come on :-) This is a one of a kind thing. There is a value in knowing
you have a project that will keep you busy, assuming you enjoy this kind of
thing, for a long time. On the other end will be a lot of new knowledge.
I have manuals for this machine, they're out there. I have a neat training
manual that was used by LGP to train new users. They really looked at this
thing to be a personal computer. This was some may claim by some
definition the *first* personal computer.
Bill I recently became the owner of an LGP-30,
supposedly in 'working'
condition. However, the machine is roughly 2000 miles from me and will need
to be transported by freight. Before it's palletized, are there any special
precautions I should take to ensure its safe travel. I'm especially worried
about the drum (drum lock?), but haven't been able to find a maintenance or
setup doc.
Anyone out there with experience or can offer a few pointers?
- Remove all tube modules and pack them in boxes (with good padding)
- Remove the drum and stuff/pack it separately (remove the belt going to
the small motor below the drum and unscrew the drum assembly from the frame)
- Remove all side panels and the cover; there's nothing more annoying than
dented panels caused by fixating the frame to the panel and/or truck.
Do you get software and manuals with your machine?
Christian
PS: Just found the auction... you paid *WHAT*??? Wow... for a machine in a
quite battered shape. What idiot put the heavy Flexowriter on the fragile
top?? Where's the cable connecting the Flexowriter to the computer? Oh, and
it works without a power cable... Sorry, I had to make those comments ;-)
Good luck and enjoy playing with your new computer :-)
3:16 p.m.
On 12/28/2016 8:38 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
<snip>
Guys, thanks for all the feedback. A challenge? Absolutely. But this is likely as close
as I'll ever come to having a first generation machine, something unfathomable to me
as a kid.
Apologies for the radio-silence, we've put 1200+ miles under our belts since Monday
morning. Today we cross into Alberta. Will keep you all posted on how it goes.
Thanks,
Cory
While you are where you can do it, if you are transporting it back, make
sure that all parts have the Made in USA clearly located for US
customs. I encountered some blockheads when I crossed over carrying
some material from Canada a few times. Only was able to trump the
nonsense when one of them found a hard to read "Made in USA" that my
partner had stuck in the etch on a lark.
Hangup was all the foreign content IC's with "Made in <far east>".
Though less of a problem with older equipment, it might be a problem.
thanks
Jim
3:19 p.m.
Ran into the same problem about 20 years ago. So now I make sure if
there is nothing on the equip marked Made in the USA, I take along
either an original catalog or manual, one time only had a
advertisement but it is what did the trick.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 3:16 PM, jim stephens <jwsmail at jwsss.com> wrote:
On 12/28/2016 8:38 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
<snip>
Guys, thanks for all the feedback. A challenge? Absolutely. But this is
likely as close as I'll ever come to having a first generation machine,
something unfathomable to me as a kid.
Apologies for the radio-silence, we've put 1200+ miles under our belts
since Monday morning. Today we cross into Alberta. Will keep you all posted
on how it goes.
Thanks,
Cory
While you are where you can do it, if you are transporting it back, make
sure that all parts have the Made in USA clearly located for US customs. I
encountered some blockheads when I crossed over carrying some material from
Canada a few times. Only was able to trump the nonsense when one of them
found a hard to read "Made in USA" that my partner had stuck in the etch on
a lark.
Hangup was all the foreign content IC's with "Made in <far east>".
Though
less of a problem with older equipment, it might be a problem.
thanks
Jim
29 Dec
29 Dec
5:35 p.m.
On Dec 28, 2016, at 4:16 PM, jim stephens wrote:
On 12/28/2016 8:38 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
Good news! We got back across the border without issue...they didn't even ask to see
the customs forms we had. Unreal.
On first blush, I don't see any major damage to the drum. It does appear locked
(either the drum or motor, hard to say at this point). But that may have worked to my
advantage when the machine was moved from Vancouver. There's a tag on top indicating
it was adjusted in 1970.
With 900 more miles to go, it'll be a little while before I can sit down and see what
the complete situation is. -C
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Guys, thanks for all the feedback. A challenge? Absolutely. But this is likely as close
as I'll ever come to having a first generation machine, something unfathomable to me
as a kid.
Apologies for the radio-silence, we've put 1200+ miles under our belts since Monday
morning. Today we cross into Alberta. Will keep you all posted on how it goes.
Thanks,
Cory
While you are where you can do it, if you are transporting it back, make sure
that all parts have the Made in USA clearly located for US customs. I encountered some
blockheads when I crossed over carrying some material from Canada a few times. Only was
able to trump the nonsense when one of them found a hard to read "Made in USA"
that my partner had stuck in the etch on a lark.
Hangup was all the foreign content IC's with "Made in <far east>".
Though less of a problem with older equipment, it might be a problem.
thanks
Jim
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