18 Feb
2003
18 Feb
'03
7:53 a.m.
Hello John
Thankyou very much for your kind reply.
Yes it is a complete system.
I have checked Kermit in this system but I could not
find this S/W there. Might be my process was wrong.
And if it is there how can I access Kermit(how to find
wheather Kermit is there or not).
Is there any command for Kermit. Please suggest me how
to find wheather Kermit is there or not.
/********
Incase if kermit will not be installed then how can I
transfer the data.
********/
Basically it is the text data which I want to transfer
to the winnt PC. This system is having 8" floopy drive
& I also wants to transfer files from 8" floopies to
PC.
These files are important for me & I want to make
backup for these files into the another PC having WIN
NT.
Please advice me I will be very thankful to you.
I am in India.
Best regards
Kishore
--- John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> wrote:
Hello Kishore. You do not give enough information
to allow us to be of
much help.
Is this a complete system, or do you just have the
diskdrive itself?
If you have the whole machine, then most likely a
program called 'Kermit'
is installed - you need to also have the Windows
version of Kermit on your
PC, and then connect the serial ports together with
a cable. OR, if you
are lucky enough to have a newer DEC machine with
Ethernet, you can just
hook them up that way.
If you have only the Drive - is it MFM? EDSI?
SCSI?
Is it just data you need? ASCII? HEX? Are there
existing programs that
you would need to execute after transferring? Are
they MACRO11? FORTRAN?
BASIC? Pascal? etc... would you need to run one
of the PDP emulators on
your PC? IS this for commercial use? Are you going
to need to license the
OS (from Mentec)?
Also, where are you? If in the US or Canada, and
you only have the drive
(and the data is important or critical) I would
suggest that you assemble
a DEC system and install the Drive in it, then use
Kermit. If you can't
do that, perhaps you can send the drive to someone
who would install it,
extract the info, and return it to you. Just for
example, I have a
PDP-11/44 system with EDSI drives, 8" floppies, and
a 14" removable-pack
drive. It runs RSX 11M+ V5.03. If possible, you
should know these details
about your Drive, as all of this makes a large
difference in just how to
take the data off.
You should write your message again to the
classiccmp list, and give all
the details you can think of. That way, we can
steer you in the right
direction.
Cheers
John
REF:
>Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:38:58 -0800 (PST)
>From: nk badoni <badoni_nk(a)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: Tranfer of Files From RSX-11
>
>Hello
>
>I am Kishore.
>
>Could you please tell me that how can I tranfer the
>files from Winchester Disk having RSX-11/PDP format
>into a PC having Win NT operating system.
>
>Kishore
18 Feb
18 Feb
9:41 a.m.
Kishore,
that's excellent:
Yes it is a complete system.
So you'll need Kermit for RSX on the PDP-11, and Kermit on WinNT.
For the former, try starting at
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html - Kermit is free, so you only
need to follow the instructions provided on the pages. As far as I
remember, these instructions also contain a method to download some
initial program - they do not assume you have KERMIT-11 before you
download the program.
You may also want to try searching (use Google) for "kermit pdp-11"
(don't type the quotes there) - there are lots of appropriate matches.
In case it is already present on your machine, it may start if you enter
KERMIT (or simply KER) as a MCR command (or, if your account is set to
use DCL as the command language, you may try MCR KER). However, this
requires the task to be installed. You may also check for a file named
KERMIT.TSK in the [1,54] directory on the system disk. If it is there,
you can RUN [1,54]KERMIT to start it.
Assuming you manage to find Kermit on your PDP-11 or download it, you
will then need Kermit for Windows NT.
I once tried to find this (for a similar purpose as yours), and had no
luck: it would appear that this particular implementation is commercial
software, so you'll need to *buy* it.
Another, cheaper, option might be to use the DOS or Win95 incarnation of
KERMIT on the PC. Start at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
to find out more.
I have both KERMIT-11 on my PDP-11 as well as MSKERMIT on some old 3.5"
floppy, so if none of the above gets you forward, let me know, and we
can work something out. But I am pretty sure the Web sources will do the
job - and you'll become familiar with an important piece of computer
communication history.
Good luck!
Andreas
--
Andreas Freiherr
Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany
http://www.vishay.com
10:12 a.m.
Andreas Freiherr wrote:
Kishore,
that's excellent:
Kermit95 is commercial (about $65), which they use to func development
of all the versions of kermit. Well worth the price if you use it more
than once.
It also has one of the best VT100 emulations that I have seen.
There is a sort of implementation of kermit send/reveive in hyper-terminal,
but it is a slow, featureless varient. It may or may not work for you.
If you have a Unix or Linux box, you can use ckermit on it. Ckermit uses
the same code base as kermit95, but lacks the GUI.
Yes it is a complete system.
So you'll need Kermit for RSX on the PDP-11, and Kermit on WinNT.
For the former, try starting at
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html - Kermit is free, so you
only need to follow the instructions provided on the pages. As far as
I remember, these instructions also contain a method to download some
initial program - they do not assume you have KERMIT-11 before you
download the program.
You may also want to try searching (use Google) for "kermit pdp-11"
(don't type the quotes there) - there are lots of appropriate matches.
In case it is already present on your machine, it may start if you
enter KERMIT (or simply KER) as a MCR command (or, if your account is
set to use DCL as the command language, you may try MCR KER). However,
this requires the task to be installed. You may also check for a file
named KERMIT.TSK in the [1,54] directory on the system disk. If it is
there, you can RUN [1,54]KERMIT to start it.
Assuming you manage to find Kermit on your PDP-11 or download it, you
will then need Kermit for Windows NT.
I once tried to find this (for a similar purpose as yours), and had no
luck: it would appear that this particular implementation is
commercial software, so you'll need to *buy* it.
Another, cheaper, option might be to use the DOS or Win95 incarnation
of KERMIT on the PC. Start at
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html to find out more.
I'm not sure if the MSDOS version of kermit (which is free) will work
under NT, but it might be worth a try. The win95 version is the commercial
version (which costs money).
I have both KERMIT-11 on my PDP-11 as well as MSKERMIT on some old
3.5" floppy, so if none of the above gets you forward, let me know,
and we can work something out. But I am pretty sure the Web sources
will do the job - and you'll become familiar with an important piece
of computer communication history.
19 Feb
19 Feb
12:06 a.m.
Kevin,
Kevin Handy wrote:
...
OK, so if the Win95 version is also commercial, then the DOS variant
remains. And I believe, if MSKERMIT will not run on the WinNT PC (which
I am afraid will be true), at least DOS will hopefully run on the PC to
support MSKERMIT. Then, you need a disk partition formatted as FAT (not
NTFS), and you can move the files in through MSKERMIT and out (after
rebooting into NT) with "Windoze Exploder".
And, when done, make sure the PDP-11 goes to a good home: don't you dare
to trash it! ;-)
Regards,
Andreas
--
Andreas Freiherr
Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany
http://www.vishay.com
Andreas Freiherr wrote:
...
Another,
cheaper, option might be to use the DOS or Win95 incarnation
of KERMIT on the PC. Start at
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html to find out more.
I'm not sure if the MSDOS version of kermit (which is free) will work
under NT, but it might be worth a try. The win95 version is the commercial
version (which costs money).
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