Sellam Ismail wrote: I disagree. Any terrorist acts are the responsibility of the terrorists. Even if someone doesn't like what the US does or is, it is still there decision to do acts of terrorism. It is not our fault for making people do acts of terrorism. I could see a very targeted attack against whoever the responsible parties are, like when we went into Panama or Libya. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

At 04:00 PM 9/11/01 -0500, you wrote: I would sure prefer to have him in charge at this time and I'm sure so would the majority of the American public.

Well it appears that opinions are like assholes - everyone has one and they usually stink. I feel that Clinton would be better suited as a cotton farmer in Mississippi and Gore a towel boy in a gay bath house and that GWB is well educated and very clear spoken but you see it the other. Not a problem, that's why we have freedom of sppech in our country. We also have freedom of religion which is why I choose atheism. We have freedom to bear arms which is why I have a hefty gun collection (not necessarily for protection either) and so on. We can each enjoy our own opinion and feel good about our military service, but still feel that one or the other CIC is a dork without killing each other. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Richard Erlacher -> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:22 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: You be it's OT: World Trade crash updates... -> -> -> Now just a minute, there, mister! -> -> I remember the hue and cry at the outset of the Gulf War when -> the nation's -> military was represented on the air for the better part of a -> week whining that -> they hadn't signed up to go somplace overseas to get shot-at, -> but only to be -> able to retire in luxury (at least above poverty-level) after -> only 20 years of -> doing very little useful work. That's what attracts the sorts -> that keep society -> from viewing the military as an honorable profession. (The current pres' -> brother Neil Bush went on trial on 1/15/91, the day the "Desert Shield" -> operation started, BTW, and that was probably no coincidence.) -> -> My own experience in the military, where I spent several years -> certainly taught -> me that few groups could be singled out as having fewer -> grey-cells per capita -> than the military, though there were certainly SOME people in it -> who weren't -> total nit-wits. The only group I've ever seen collected that -> has exhibited less -> intellectual horsepower than what I observed in the military is -> what's gathered -> in Washington D.C, and particularly in the White House during the current -> administration. -> -> The previous chief exec certainly was no beacon of honorability, but was -> certainly smarter than what's in power now. At least he spoke -> English well -> enough so you could understand what he'd said. His English is -> barely better -> than his Spanish, and that isn't too good! -> -> I'm ashamed to admit that I once made it a blanket policy to vote for -> Republicans, at least for state and local offices. Though I -> haven't voted for a -> Republican chief since the disappointing results I got from -> Tricky Dicky, the -> past election was the first one in which I actually voted for a -> Democrat ... ANY -> democrat. That was a vote against George II and largely because it's -> embarassing to have the pres of Mexico speak better English than -> our Pres. I -> admit that back when Carter, Sadat, and Arafat were on the tube, -> it wasn't our -> chief who spoke the most elegant English either, though at least -> he could put -> together a coherent subject and predicate. Now that he writes -> some of his own -> stuff it's improved greatly. -> -> The reason the military is weak is not because it has too little -> in resources, -> but because it's too corrupt, but not only from the top down, which is -> dishonest, for sure, but from the bottom up as well. That's -> because the entire -> premise of "sit around for 20 years, keep your head down, and -> retire ..." is -> corrupt. It wasn't always like that, but somewhere, between the -> 60's and the -> mid-70's ... Throwing more money at that mess won't fix a thing, -> and that's all -> those yokels in 'D.C. know how to do. -> -> Dick -> -> ----- Original Message ----- -> From: "Russ Blakeman" <rhblakeman(a)kih.net> -> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> -> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:00 PM -> Subject: RE: OT: World Trade crash updates... -> -> -> > I actually would say that Uncle (horndog) Billie and his -> sidekick Algore -> > screwed up our defense system so badly that much of the -> systems we used to -> > have that could have possibly detected this (if it could have -> been at all) -> > and the loyalty to the US military weere gone and today, along with the -> > swift and intelligent actions of our new CIC, will serve to bring the -> > military back to some sense of loyalty and intelligence. Much -> of the reason -> > I opted for nearly a year early retirement was the state of -> the military and -> > our CIC at the time (95). -> > -> > -> -----Original Message----- -> > -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> > -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez -> > -> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:56 AM -> > -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> > -> Subject: Re: OT: World Trade crash updates... -> > -> -> > -> -> > -> Sellam Ismail wrote: -> > -> > All I have to say is that this country has finally done -> itself in with -> > -> > it's arrogance. -> > -> -> > -> I disagree. Any terrorist acts are the responsibility of the -> > -> terrorists. Even if someone doesn't like what the US does -> or is, it is -> > -> still there decision to do acts of terrorism. It is not -> our fault for -> > -> making people do acts of terrorism. -> > -> -> > -> > I fear this will plunge the world into war. -> > -> -> > -> I could see a very targeted attack against whoever the responsible -> > -> parties are, like when we went into Panama or Libya. -> > -> -> > -> Chad Fernandez -> > -> Michigan, USA -> > -> -> > -> > -> ->

[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] Your certainly does. Now take this inappropriate spleen venting somewhere else. Eric

Actually, the "whining" I was remembering was not from reservists so much as vociferous groups to attract the media, which they did. Their complaints, in at least one noteable case simply amounted to complaining they hadn't signed up to go somplace overseas to get shot-at, but only to be able to retire in luxury (at least above poverty-level) after only 20 years of doing very little useful work. I happened to catch that on an evening news broadcast at about 6 or 7 in the evening, as I drove home from work. Having put in some time in the military during the '60's, I was not favorably impressed. It doesn't surprise me when I hear that sort of thing about NG or reserve units being called up to do something, but when active duty types complain, which they did far and wide during the startup of the Gulf War, I am irritated. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Blakeman" <rhblakeman(a)kih.net> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:26 PM Subject: RE: You be it's OT: World Trade crash updates...

I worked the MGM Grand fire way back when from Nellis AFB and saw lots of burned and dead bodies and that irritated me a little that it could happen but this total act on so many people of different walks of life, different ages, different nationalites, etc jusy pissed me off. As someone else noted I doubt this is a small group of idiots like McVay in OkC. I have the impression that the 4th plane in PA is one that something unplanned went wrong on and it didn't hit it's intended target. We though the Kamikazes were bad in WWII but they went after other military targets that were engaged in combat, not totally innocent people without a clue. Should they decide to activate me back to active duty I will gladly go until I'm no longer needed. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Huw Davies -> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:05 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail) -> Subject: Re: OT: World Trade crash updates... -> -> -> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote: -> -> > -> > Can I please use "foul" language now? -> > -> > This is FUCKING terrible. -> -> I doubt language can express what I feel. Watching the towers -> collapse has -> left me in tears, speechless, and a great sense of both futility and -> foreboding. -> -> > First of all, I hope everyone we all know is OK. It is an -> inevitability -> > that each and every one of us will be affected by this in some -> way, either -> > through someone we know directly or a friend of a friend... -> -> Can't agree more. -> -> > All I have to say is that this country has finally done itself in with -> > it's arrogance. -> > -> > I fear this will plunge the world into war. -> -> My greatest fear - I couldn't watch the TV coverage by myself so went off -> to my parents and drank large amounts - didn't help much. -> -> > This is all I will have to say about this. -> -> This is my first post to the list for a while. -> -> Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au -> | "If God had wanted soccer played in the -> | air, the sky would be painted green" -> -> -> ->

Yes, this time the language is overwhelmingly appropriate. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote: M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid