15 Jun
2004
15 Jun
'04
8:45 a.m.
On Jun 15, 17:22, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
>I'd love to see the server-side of things
running somewhere again
>though.
>
>It'd be nice to have a Prestel server at Bletchley with some
assorted
>80's machines hooked up to it (bodging the
phone network inbetween
:)
>but chances are that nobody's got a copy of
the necessary server
>software any more :-(
I should still have enough equipment and software
about to set up at
least
two of the various BBC-micro based servers which I ran
at various
times,
including the multi-user software that the GnomeAtHome
ran on which I
had
an official copy of...
Wasn't that basically CommunITeL? I still have a copy, and I think I
have a copy of at least one other server package for a Beeb. I used to
run a viewdata BBS for a short while.
(Ah, the joys of building ring-detect circuits for
cheap and nasty
1200
baud modems that didn't have them..)
'cause BABT made it so difficult (and ludicrously expensive) to get
approval. I built one that did ringback in hardware, so we could tell
whether it was a BBS call or a real person (only had one phone line).
For those who've not come across this usage of "ringback", it means a
system where the caller hangs up after the first ring, then immediately
redials. The modem only responds if the first ring is short enough,
and the second follows after a minimum (but still within a maximum)
time.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
15 Jun
15 Jun
2:35 p.m.
At 18:45 15/06/2004, you wrote:
LOL. And weren't they just a pain in the neck.. I used to maintain the BBS
list on ClubSpot 810, all those boards which were ringback only, open for
short hours every other Tuesday..
backtracking a bit, someone did mention to me a while back that a backup of
the entire Viewfax 258 system was still about, looking for a home.
You could probably fit the entire Prestel database on a single CD ROM
several times over these days... when an ISP was given an initial
allocation of 500 pages of 768 characters each, the total database size
couldn't have been huge.
On Jun 15, 17:22, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
Well everybody had copies of CommunITel, but TG@H was completely re-written
by Glynn Phillips, and did a hell of a lot more. It was nice and easy to
add modules to, etc. I did a nice simple one where it would translate a
text file into viewdata pages on the fly.. (and work with the
go-back-a-page commands, etc) not to mention software to run chatlines
etc.. (handy for my four line BBS at the time.) I had six Beebs at one
point, plus fileserver, all running this from my bedroom - I'd go to sleep
listening to the hard disc on the fileserver chattering away as people used
the system..
>I'd love to see the server-side of things
running somewhere again
>though.
>
>It'd be nice to have a Prestel server at Bletchley with some
assorted
>80's machines hooked up to it (bodging
the phone network inbetween
:)
>but chances are that nobody's got a copy
of the necessary server
>software any more :-(
I should still have enough equipment and software
about to set up at
least
two of the various BBC-micro based servers which
I ran at various
times,
including the multi-user software that the
GnomeAtHome ran on which I
had
an official copy of...
Wasn't that basically CommunITeL? I still have a copy, and I think I
have a copy of at least one other server package for a Beeb. I used to
run a viewdata BBS for a short while. (Ah, the joys
of building ring-detect circuits for cheap and nasty
1200
baud modems that didn't have them..)
'cause BABT made it so difficult (and ludicrously expensive) to get
approval. I built one that did ringback in hardware, so we could tell
whether it was a BBS call or a real person (only had one phone line).
For those who've not come across this usage of "ringback", it means a
system where the caller hangs up after the first ring, then immediately
redials. The modem only responds if the first ring is short enough,
and the second follows after a minimum (but still within a maximum)
time. 
16 Jun
16 Jun
5:46 a.m.
New subject: Trivia Challenge!
OK, I was staring at the album cover while listening to Kraftwerk's
Computerworld, and, while mostly thinking of nothing (best way to solve
programming problems) I started wondering what exactly they were standing in
front of. Anyone know what machine this is? It's tricky as it's just the
doors. Assume Germany c. 1980.
http://home.t-online.de/home/520078056126-0002/3cwpost2.jpg
8:26 a.m.
New subject: Trivia Challenge!
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Jason McBrien wrote:
OK, I was staring at the album cover while listening
to Kraftwerk's
Computerworld, and, while mostly thinking of nothing (best way to solve
programming problems) I started wondering what exactly they were standing in
front of. Anyone know what machine this is? It's tricky as it's just the
doors. Assume Germany c. 1980.
Not a computer at all - it's an Old Skool mixing console - the
connectors are Tuchels which were the typical German and English
multi-pair audio connector used then... here in Amerikka, though, we
usuallyused Winchester/Edac units for this.
The give-away in the picture is the molded acoustic foam treatment on
the control room wall behind the Band.
Cheers
John
8:46 a.m.
New subject: Trivia Challenge!
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, John Lawson wrote:
The give-away in the picture is the molded acoustic foam treatment on
the control room wall behind the Band.
Damn - should've checked the other pix out before I jumped to (educated)
conclusions. This view:
http://home.t-online.de/home/520078056126-0002/3cwpost.jpg
shows it to be audio/music gear - the shot is too contrasty and fuzzy to
make out what it is...
The connectors *are* Tuchels, however, and I've worked on a lot of big
studio boards that used dozens of 'em.
Cheers
Swami Audionanda
9:15 a.m.
New subject: Trivia Challenge!
Amazing call, Mr. Johnson. I always thought it was some mainframe door
or something.
Re: http://home.t-online.de/home/520078056126-0002/3cwpost.jpg
I think that's a picture of a different setup than the one I posted
earlier. If you look closely it seems the mixers they are operating are on
pedestals. If this is a later version of KlingKlang (Their recording studio
that they tour with; yep they -used to- take the whole studio with them) the
consoles are on pedestals so you can see them better when they play in
concerts. I've heard the latest concert has them playing laptops, like so
many other techno/ambient musicians these days (I heard someone describe
this practice as playing battleship on stage) Since they mostly stand still
during the concert, half the fun was watching the Macs sequence all the
analog gear behind them through blinkenlights-laden Doepfer equipment. Oh
well...
I think the idea of the Computer World picture is they are inside a
computer, the big panels sure do look like power distribution panels for a
mainframe or something. It very well could be the same gear, but my guess is
it's just a shot from another studio somewhere.
A few years ago I helped these guys out with some MIDI sequencing
software for the only portable machine they could afford, a Mac SE/30, so
they could go on tour. Now they use 17" G4 laptops, but their first few
albums were composed on that SE/30. Good, old technology is *still* good
technology :)
http://www.ersatzaudio.com/disco/html/htmlforrightframe/13.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Trivia Challenge!
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, John Lawson wrote:
The give-away in the picture is the molded acoustic foam treatment on
the control room wall behind the Band.
Damn - should've checked the other pix out before I jumped to (educated)
conclusions. This view:
http://home.t-online.de/home/520078056126-0002/3cwpost.jpg
shows it to be audio/music gear - the shot is too contrasty and fuzzy to
make out what it is...
The connectors *are* Tuchels, however, and I've worked on a lot of big
studio boards that used dozens of 'em.
Cheers
Swami Audionanda
10:33 a.m.
New subject: Trivia Challenge!
I tend to agree, although I looked through some old info I have and can not
place the specific console.
David
Ps: I worked for Otari CPD for a number of years and was the developer of
the software for their first 100% digital console [the Advanta]. It used up
to 14 [can I mention it] PC computers running QNX [a realtime version of
Unix] for worksurface control and up to 72 SHaRC digital signal processors
for audio processing. It was quite a project. Although the "professionals"
could (and did) make fine mixes with it, all I could create was "noise"
<grin>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Lawson
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:27 PM
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: Re: Trivia Challenge!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Jason McBrien wrote:
>>
>> > OK, I was staring at the album cover while listening to
>> Kraftwerk's
>> > Computerworld, and, while mostly thinking of nothing (best way to
>> > solve programming problems) I started wondering what
>> exactly they were
>> > standing in front of. Anyone know what machine this is?
>> It's tricky as
>> > it's just the doors. Assume Germany c. 1980.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not a computer at all - it's an Old Skool mixing console
>> - the connectors are Tuchels which were the typical German
>> and English multi-pair audio connector used then... here
>> in Amerikka, though, we usuallyused Winchester/Edac units for this.
>>
>> The give-away in the picture is the molded acoustic foam
>> treatment on the control room wall behind the Band.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > http://home.t-online.de/home/520078056126-0002/3cwpost2.jpg
>> >
>> >
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