4 Aug
2010
4 Aug
'10
2:26 a.m.
Hi,
just followed the thread about ENIAC pieces and went to the website
announcing a VCF southeast. There I saw announced sales of Arcnet and
Token Ring adapters. That was the inspiration for this posting.
* I came across a box of Token Ring and Arcnet stuff. Mostly NICs.
* IBM PC AT and around
* Sun Ultra 1 (or 5?) pizza boxes
* 5.25" and 8" disk floppy drives and HDDs
* Philips P4500 computer (or 5400?)
Is there any interest in that kind of stuff? Might that be of sufficient
quality (quantity isn't the problem) for a dedicated flea market event?
Opinions very welcome. And btw I'm talking about stuff in Northern
Germany...
Regards,
Philipp
4 Aug
4 Aug
10:48 p.m.
* I came across a box of Token Ring and Arcnet stuff.
Mostly NICs.
don't scrap
* IBM PC AT and around
don't scrap that. and around what?
* Sun Ultra 1 (or 5?) pizza boxes
no in any event. U5s are kinda sorta desirable as modern machines. You can always give
them to some kid or whatever (who wants to learn a *real* yooniks
* 5.25" and 8" disk floppy drives and HDDs
definitely don't scrap
* Philips P4500 computer (or 5400?)
don't know what that is. you coulda told us. And you really should make up your mind
here.
Is there any interest in that kind of stuff? Might
that be
of sufficient quality (quantity isn't the problem) for a
dedicated flea market event?
Opinions very welcome. And btw I'm talking about stuff in
Northern Germany...
you'd know the flea markets in northern Germany better then us (who don't live
there. I for 1 (not for 2, 3, or 4 LOL LOL LOL) have spent about 2 hours in an airport in
Germany once. There weren't any flea markets going on.
I'm sure someone could make use of the stuff. Some of it could fetch you a few bucks,
nothing wrong w/that if that's what you choose to do.
5 Aug
5 Aug
6:34 a.m.
From: "Chris M"
The Philips P4500 is a mini-mainframe. AFAIR it supported Condtrol Data
disks and Pertec tape drives.
It came with COBOL.
A 5400 doesnt ring a bell, but the 5xxx series was Word Processing. I
remember the 5002, a horrible system with hard sectored 5.25" floppies, and
the 5020, was (IIRC) was a relabelled Canadian product (MICOM)?
Nico (ex Philips PTS 6000)
* Philips P4500 computer (or 5400?)
don't know what that is. you coulda told us. And you really should make up
your mind here.
8:26 p.m.
Hi,
The Philips P4500 is a mini-mainframe. AFAIR it supported Condtrol Data
disks and Pertec tape drives.
It came with COBOL.
I looked again. It is a 4500. With a terminal. There's a CDC SMD 14" hard disk
installed. The drive
has the same brown Philips design as the rest. Drive is calles "Mini module
drive". I powered up the
drive without the computer connected. After finding the transport lock it spun up, loaded
heads, and
got ready. I have no idea about the overall condition of the system.
If nobody speaks for the machine, it will be scrapped in the next weeks. The disk drive
will be
dismantled and put onto display (I don't have any influence here - could only save the
whole thing).
Regards,
Philipp
--
http://www.hachti.de
* Philips P4500 computer (or 5400?)
don't know what that is. you coulda told us. And you really should
make up your mind here.
6 Aug
6 Aug
7:04 p.m.
Hi,
The Philips P4500 is a mini-mainframe. AFAIR it supported Condtrol Data
disks and Pertec tape drives.
It came with COBOL.
I looked again. It is a 4500. With a terminal. There's a CDC SMD 14" hard disk
installed. The drive
This sounds sufficiently unusual that it shouldn't be scrapped. Oh why
can't it be in England???
* Philips P4500 computer (or 5400?)
don't know what that is. you coulda told us. And you really should
make up your mind here.
has the same brown Philips design as the rest. Drive
is calles "Mini module drive". I powered up the
drive without the computer connected. After finding the transport lock it spun up, loaded
heads, and
got ready. I have no idea about the overall condition of the system.
If nobody speaks for the machine, it will be scrapped in the next weeks. The disk drive
will be
Plese try to save it. Philips machines are suffiiciently odd to be
interesting if you see what I mean. OK, I am biased (my first mincomputer
was a Philips, I read those schematiocs many times), but still...
-tony
5 Aug
5 Aug
9:04 a.m.
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Chris M wrote:
Well, usually nobody wants that, too common and no demand.
If they are original IBM systems, then I agree. If they are clones, I
usually salvage the drives, perhaps the I/O cards if they are exotic.
Otherwise I'd junk them, you'll drown in those systems otherwise.
Eh, I even have some Ultra60, Ultra80 and Ultra10 that nobody wants. And I
definitely don't want an Ultra1 for playing (we still have some in service
here, but they're not really fun). I'd prefer the older sun[1-3] and
sun4/sun4m. Small UltraSparc systems are really dirt common. You can be
happy if someone takes one for free. Don't expect any money.
Agree.
This is from the 1987 edition of Computer Review:
"Introduced in 1980, the Philips P4500 is an interactive business computer
system designed for small business distributed-processing networks. The
P4500 employs 'team processor' architecture, which delegates functions
usually performed by the CPU to dedicated special-purpose processors. ANSI
COBOL is the major programming language under the DINOS 4000 operating
system."
Then further on:
"Word size: 16 bits, Memory: 256 to 1024kB MOS, Memory Cycle Time: 563ns
[...]
Magnetic Tape: P3540: 1600bpi, 37ips
Line Printer: P2910/62/65:100-600lpm
Serial Printer: P2931:100cps;P2934:300cps
[...]
System Software: Real Time Monitor, Batch Monitor, Data Base Sys,
Operating System: DINOS 4000
[...]
Sold primarily in Western Europe"
I'd be curious what the CPU is.
Christian
* I came
across a box of Token Ring and Arcnet stuff.
Mostly NICs.
don't scrap * IBM PC AT
and around
don't scrap that. and around what? * Sun Ultra 1
(or 5?) pizza boxes
no in any event. U5s are kinda sorta desirable as modern machines. You
can always give them to some kid or whatever (who wants to learn a
*real* yooniks * 5.25"
and 8" disk floppy drives and HDDs
definitely don't scrap * Philips
P4500 computer (or 5400?)
don't know what that is. you coulda told us. And you really should make
up your mind here. 
11:18 a.m.
Hello,
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 11:04:47AM +0200, Christian Corti wrote:
Eh, I even have some Ultra60, Ultra80 and Ultra10 that nobody wants. And I
definitely don't want an Ultra1 for playing (we still have some in service
I'd love to have an Ultra 5, or any of those you mentioned for that
matter. My main workstation is an Ultra 1 running Debian GNU/Linux.
Cheers,
?ngel
* Sun Ultra 1 (or 5?) pizza boxes
no in any event. U5s are kinda sorta desirable as modern machines. You
can always give them to some kid or whatever (who wants to learn a
*real* yooniks
8:31 p.m.
Hehe,
On 05.08.2010 11:04, Christian Corti wrote:
If they are original IBM systems, then I agree. If they are clones, I
usually salvage the drives, perhaps the I/O cards if they are exotic.
Otherwise I'd junk them, you'll drown in those systems otherwise. IBM PC
XT, AT, AT 386, PS/2, (probably PS/1?) and such machines. With keyboards and some
monitors.
Eh, I even have some Ultra60, Ultra80 and Ultra10 that nobody wants. And
I definitely don't want an Ultra1 for playing (we still have some in
service here, but they're not really fun). I'd prefer the older sun[1-3]
and sun4/sun4m. Small UltraSparc systems are really dirt common. You can
be happy if someone takes one for free. Don't expect any money.
I'll gladly put them into the scrap container. And remember that I'm interested in
Ultra 80 and a
450Mhz Ultra 60....
Agree.
Will keep those that don't smell too badly (there's a MASSIV problem with living
and - more recent -
dead rats...).
This is from the 1987 edition of Computer Review:
"Introduced in 1980, the Philips P4500 is an interactive business
computer system designed for small business distributed-processing
networks. The P4500 employs 'team processor' architecture, which
delegates functions usually performed by the CPU to dedicated
special-purpose processors. ANSI COBOL is the major programming language
under the DINOS 4000 operating system."
Then further on:
"Word size: 16 bits, Memory: 256 to 1024kB MOS, Memory Cycle Time: 563ns
[...]
Magnetic Tape: P3540: 1600bpi, 37ips
Line Printer: P2910/62/65:100-600lpm
Serial Printer: P2931:100cps;P2934:300cps
[...]
System Software: Real Time Monitor, Batch Monitor, Data Base Sys,
Operating System: DINOS 4000
[...]
Sold primarily in Western Europe"
I'd be curious what the CPU is.
Hm... Would be some work to find out. I didn't notice a microprocessor.
- Philipp
--
http://www.hachti.de
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Chris M wrote:
Well, usually nobody wants that, too common and no demand.
Ok, that was a local voice - I'll scrap all the network stuff.
* I came
across a box of Token Ring and Arcnet stuff.
Mostly NICs.
don't scrap * IBM PC AT and around
don't scrap that. and around what? * Sun Ultra 1 (or 5?) pizza boxes
no in any event. U5s are kinda sorta desirable as modern machines. You
can always give them to some kid or whatever (who wants to learn a
*real* yooniks * 5.25" and 8" disk floppy drives and HDDs
definitely don't scrap * Philips P4500 computer (or 5400?)
don't know what that is. you coulda told us. And you really should
make up your mind here. 
8:44 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 10:31:13PM +0200, Philipp Hachtmann wrote:
Announce them at the vintagecomputer forums if you care about saving
them, some people there really want XT and AT machines.
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/
/P
If they are
original IBM systems, then I agree. If they are clones, I
usually salvage the drives, perhaps the I/O cards if they are exotic.
Otherwise I'd junk them, you'll drown in those systems otherwise.
IBM PC
XT, AT, AT 386, PS/2, (probably PS/1?) and such machines. With keyboards and some
monitors. 
5:36 p.m.
My recommandations, in knowledge of Philipp's situation :
* I came across a box of Token Ring and Arcnet stuff.
Mostly NICs.
Scrap
* IBM PC AT and around
Original IBM AT ->
Sell, others scrap.
* Sun Ultra 1 (or 5?) pizza boxes
scrap
* 5.25" and 8" disk floppy drives and HDDs
Good MFM drives & 8 " floppies are getting somewhat thin on the ground,
5": scrap
* Philips P4500 computer (or 5400?)
Will sell on
Ebay for a token amount.
Is there any interest in that kind of stuff? Might that be of
sufficient quality (quantity isn't the problem) for a dedicated flea
market event?
In short : good, decent size MFM drives might be worth your time, the
rest rather not.
Jos
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