28 Feb
2003
28 Feb
'03
6:12 a.m.
I know exactly what to do under UNIX, but I'm attempting to help out
someone else - I have the Montagar Hobbyist CD-ROM and I'm trying to
create an ISO file to feed to SIMH. We have tried three different
CD-ROM slurping programs from shareware.com and download.com, but
no success. They seem to have heartburn because the disc is not
mounted under Windows.
Has anyone gone from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did
you get files off the distro?
Thanks,
-ethan
28 Feb
28 Feb
6:45 a.m.
I know exactly what to do under UNIX, but I'm
attempting to help out
someone else - I have the Montagar Hobbyist CD-ROM and I'm trying to
create an ISO file to feed to SIMH. We have tried three different
CD-ROM slurping programs from shareware.com and download.com, but
no success. They seem to have heartburn because the disc is not
mounted under Windows.
Has anyone gone from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did
you get files off the distro?
Take a look around the Charon-VAX site, they're back to offering a Hobbyist
version I hear, and when they first released their emulator you could
download a tool to do this.
Zane
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7:02 a.m.
--- "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote:
Hmm... he _has_ played with Charon. I'll see if he has that tool.
-ethan
Has anyone gone
from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did
you get files off the distro?
Take a look around the Charon-VAX site, they're back to offering a
Hobbyist
version I hear, and when they first released their emulator you could
download a tool to do this. 
1 Mar
1 Mar
3:48 p.m.
I believe the name of the tool was "mkimage". I took a quick look on their
site but couldn't find it. All I could find for download was "mkdisk" but
this does not seem to be able to extract from and ods-2 cd, it just looks
like it creates an empty disk image for use by the emulator.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows?
--- "Zane H. Healy"
<healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote:
Hmm... he _has_ played with Charon. I'll see if he has that tool.
-ethan
Has anyone
gone from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did
you get files off the distro?
Take a look around the Charon-VAX site, they're back to offering a
Hobbyist
version I hear, and when they first released their emulator you could
download a tool to do this. 
28 Feb
28 Feb
6:57 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I know exactly what to do under UNIX, but I'm
attempting to help out
someone else - I have the Montagar Hobbyist CD-ROM and I'm trying to
create an ISO file to feed to SIMH. We have tried three different
CD-ROM slurping programs from shareware.com and download.com, but
no success. They seem to have heartburn because the disc is not
mounted under Windows.
Has anyone gone from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did
you get files off the distro?
If you just need an ISO image for windows, but have a Linux box you
can copy it from, you can create it using the following Linux commands
cat /dev/cdrom > vms.iso
or
cp /dev/cdrom vms.iso
(Yes, it really is that simple) You can also use dd if you prefer.
Test the ISO against a version of simh under Linux before moving
it to windows (just to make sure there weren't any read errors during
the copy).
To do the same under windows, you will have to find whatever obscure
option a particular CD-ROM burner package has, and get everything
configured properly. It can be done, but is very specific to whatever
software you have.
I don't know if you can directly use the CD-ROM from within the
Windows simh, or are forced to use ISO's. Under Linux, it is trivial
to do either.
7:11 a.m.
--- Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> wrote:
If you just need an ISO image for windows, but have a
Linux box...
As I originally said, I know how to do it from UNIX. I'm looking for
a way for him to do it in a 100% WinBlows environment.
I don't know if you can directly use the CD-ROM
from within the
Windows simh, or are forced to use ISO's.
Windows does not give you access to the raw device like UNIX does. You
are required to get the data off as an image file and feed _that_ to
SIMH.
Under Linux, it is trivial to do either.
Of course it is.
-ethan
7:28 a.m.
Windows does not give you access to the raw device
like UNIX
does. You are required to get the data off as an image file
and feed _that_ to SIMH.
I was going to suggest Nero, but I couldn't get it to work either!
However, CDRWin from http://www.goldenhawk.com seems to be
producing an image of a CONOLD CD right now. It produces
.bin/.cue by default - it may or may not be able to produce
ISOs. Even if it cannot, there are tools available (for
Windows) which will happily convert as required.
I've not actually attempted to use the results with SIMH, so
all I'm reporting is that CDRWin is reading *something* from
the CD! I'd burn the result to a CDRW if I thought any of
my RRD4x devices could cope.
Antonio
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8:27 a.m.
--- Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> wrote:
I've not actually attempted to use the results
with SIMH, so
all I'm reporting is that CDRWin is reading *something* from
the CD! I'd burn the result to a CDRW if I thought any of
my RRD4x devices could cope.
I already have verified that my RRD42 does _not_ like CD-R
media. :-(
-ethan
8:42 p.m.
My RRD43 reads CDR's fine.
BTW, I know it was asked, but not sure if it was answered. I have read
VMS install CD's into PC ISO files using Nero, then used them with SIMH
to create a VMS system from scratch. I've also read the same discs with
Easy CD Creator (don't remember which version) and although the files
were slightly different sizes, they still worked fine.
I know I gave someone on this forum (was it you, Ethan?) some ISO's...
They were made with Easy CD Creator.
- Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:38 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows?
--- Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> wrote:
I've not actually attempted to use the results
with SIMH, so all I'm
reporting is that CDRWin is reading *something* from the CD! I'd burn
the result to a CDRW if I thought any of my RRD4x devices could cope.
I already have verified that my RRD42 does _not_ like CD-R media. :-(
-ethan
1 Mar
1 Mar
12:06 a.m.
--- Bob Lafleur <bob_lafleur(a)technologist.com> wrote:
My RRD43 reads CDR's fine.
That gives me something to inspire to.
BTW, I know it was asked, but not sure if it was
answered. I have read
VMS install CD's into PC ISO files using Nero, then used them with SIMH
to create a VMS system from scratch.
I think I've heard that, but I've also heard that it's version
dependent.
I know I gave someone on this forum (was it you,
Ethan?) some ISO's...
They were made with Easy CD Creator.
It was not me.
-ethan
12:19 a.m.
My RRD43 reads
CDR's fine.
That gives me something to inspire to. 
5:22 p.m.
New subject: SOLUTION: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows?
I ran across the following web page:
http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/ods2.zip
This program lets you mount a CDROM under windows (I tested it on XP),
and navigate the file system like you was running VMS.
It requires a file which appears to be licensed, but is available
as part of the demo version of a popular CD-R burning program named
after a Roman emperor with a penchant for music during conflagrations.
Reqards,
Clint
PS Deliberate obfuscation to prevent web searches by the licenser
getting a certain software publisher in trouble...
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Ethan Dicks wrote:
--- Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> wrote:
I've not actually attempted to use the
results with SIMH, so
all I'm reporting is that CDRWin is reading *something* from
the CD! I'd burn the result to a CDRW if I thought any of
my RRD4x devices could cope.
I already have verified that my RRD42 does _not_ like CD-R
media. :-(
-ethan 
19 Mar
19 Mar
2:24 p.m.
New subject: "The Art of Electronics" is priceless and amazing!
I just got my book after over 4 weeks of waiting since the order
placed.
I wondered why I didn't get it eariler because it's so good compared
to my college electronics technology textbooks!
Cheers,
Wizard
28 Feb
28 Feb
7:54 a.m.
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I know exactly what to do under UNIX, but I'm
attempting to help out
someone else - I have the Montagar Hobbyist CD-ROM and I'm trying to
create an ISO file to feed to SIMH. We have tried three different
CD-ROM slurping programs from shareware.com and download.com, but
no success. They seem to have heartburn because the disc is not
mounted under Windows.
Has anyone gone from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did
you get files off the distro?
dd if=/dev/scd0 of=vms.iso bs=1
Doc
10:20 a.m.
I've done it fine with Nero in Windows. I think some versions of Easy CD
Creator worked too, but that program does get confused sometimes. Nero
worked perfectly.
- Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:09 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows?
I know exactly what to do under UNIX, but I'm attempting to help out
someone else - I have the Montagar Hobbyist CD-ROM and I'm trying to
create an ISO file to feed to SIMH. We have tried three different
CD-ROM slurping programs from shareware.com and download.com, but no
success. They seem to have heartburn because the disc is not mounted
under Windows.
Has anyone gone from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did you
get files off the distro?
Thanks,
-ethan
11 a.m.
Bob Lafleur wrote:
I've done it fine with Nero in Windows. I think
some versions of Easy CD
Creator worked too, but that program does get confused sometimes. Nero
worked perfectly.
I think I've done it with nero before, but I believe it depends on
which version you have wether it works right or not.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:09 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows?
I know exactly what to do under UNIX, but I'm attempting to help out
someone else - I have the Montagar Hobbyist CD-ROM and I'm trying to
create an ISO file to feed to SIMH. We have tried three different
CD-ROM slurping programs from shareware.com and download.com, but no
success. They seem to have heartburn because the disc is not mounted
under Windows.
Has anyone gone from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did you
get files off the distro?
If you have to give up creating this in windows, you could always
get a copy of the Knoppix Linux disk. This is a bootable Linux CD
that lets you run Linux, and many of the programs available to it,
without ever loading anything on your hard disk.
(Available at http://www.linuxiso.org as a 700MB ISO file)
You could then mount the windows partition under linux,
and do your copy from the cd-rom to the hard drive, then go back
to windows.
However, you will probably need two CD-ROM drives to make
this work. One for knoppix to boot/run from, and another for
the VMS cd.
If your friend has two cd-rom drives (as some combonitation of
regular cd, cd burner, usb, or dvd, ...) than this would be one method
of sneaking around the software problem. Besides, it may convert
your friend to Linux ;-)
4:30 p.m.
--- Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> wrote:
However, you will probably need two CD-ROM drives to
make
this work. One for knoppix to boot/run from, and another for
the VMS cd.
This is harder than it normally would be - all he has to work with
is a laptop running XP with no way to burn CD-Rs where he is (at a
customer site).
There is no way any of this will make him see the light about Linux
or UNIX or anything... he's an HP Customer Engineer on assignment
with a company laptop and a Digital Personal Alpha Workstation (VMS)
by his desk (no CD-R drive).
All I wanted was a way with nothing but Windows to read a VMS
distro disc. I am now firmly convinced that no such thing is
possible without buying *some* piece of software.
As I said when I started... I know how to do it with UNIX. He doesn't
have it and isn't likely to get it given his situation. The point is
somewhat moot now, because he's on a different site starting Monday
in a different town, and I won't be able to help him as easily.
I suppose I can drop a disc in my SS5 and spin off the contents with
dd and shoot him a copy in the mail, but that wasn't the point of
the original question. I wanted to know how to do it with the
resources *he* has, where he is, far away from home.
Thanks,
-ethan
11:54 p.m.
All I wanted was a way with nothing but Windows to
read a VMS
distro disc. I am now firmly convinced that no such thing is
possible without buying *some* piece of software.
What was wrong with using CDRWin? As far as I can see, you can
use the free demo version forever, assuming you can live with
the restriction about burning at only 1x (which is hardly a
limitation for this particular application).
If you really mean *nothing* other than the standard Windows XP
distribution, then you really are hosed (since the built-in
burning capabilities can only seem to cope with ISO9660 and
barf on ODS-2).
Antonio
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org
11:58 p.m.
There is no way any of this will make him see the
light about
Linux or UNIX or anything... he's an HP Customer Engineer on
assignment with a company laptop and a Digital Personal Alpha
Workstation (VMS)
by his desk (no CD-R drive).
The alternative is to load LDDRIVER from the OpenVMS Freeware CDs
(or from the OpenVMS website). Configure a suitable sized container
file. Do a BACKUP/IMAGE of the CD onto the LD drive. Dismount and
disconnect the LD drive and do a binary ftp of the container file
to the laptop.
The CDRWin route is probably quicker unless his OpenVMS experience
exceeds his Windows expereience.
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org
1 Mar
1 Mar
12:13 a.m.
--- Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> wrote:
Interesting suggestion. If his Alpha had a CD-ROM drive, that would
almost certainly be a reasonable way to go.
... he's
an HP Customer Engineer... a Personal Alpha
Workstation (VMS) by his desk (no CD-R drive).
The alternative is to load LDDRIVER from the OpenVMS Freeware CDs
(or from the OpenVMS website). The CDRWin route is probably quicker unless his
OpenVMS experience
exceeds his Windows expereience.
He's a VMS expert of many years (back to 3.x)
-ethan
7:36 a.m.
I'd like to know too. I ended up buying an RRD-40 cdrom drive as none
of my other 512byte-selectable scsi cdrom drives would boot the hobby
cd.
I tried just to back the cd up onto cdr and got a trash cd.
Regards,
jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:09 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows?
I know exactly what to do under UNIX, but I'm attempting to help out
someone else - I have the Montagar Hobbyist CD-ROM and I'm trying to
create an ISO file to feed to SIMH. We have tried three different
CD-ROM slurping programs from shareware.com and download.com, but
no success. They seem to have heartburn because the disc is not
mounted under Windows.
Has anyone gone from CD-ROM to running VAX under Windows? How did
you get files off the distro?
Thanks,
-ethan
8:59 a.m.
I'd like to know too. I ended up buying an RRD-40
cdrom
drive as none of my other 512byte-selectable scsi cdrom
drives would boot the hobby cd.
I tried just to back the cd up onto cdr and got a trash cd.
How did you try to back it up? Even if the backup was OK,
the RRD40 may have issues with CD-R media: remember it is a
very old drive and my experience is that they are pretty
picky about what they'll read.
Antonio
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