16 May
2000
16 May
'00
5:31 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Finding Classic Computers
There is a couple in AZ with a working, flying, F104. (one of those neat
ones if not the 104).
Actually, it's an ex-CF-104, built for the Canadian Armed Forces. The main
differences (IIRC) were in modified flaps, leading edge slats and air
brakes to provide better low-speed performance. The perennially
cash-strapped CAF actually operated the Starfighter, designed as a
high-speed interceptor, as fighter-bombers (!) for ground support in
Europe. This doubtless contributed to the 104's reputation as a
"widow-maker" in the CAF.
Nice toy if you have money to burn and like to sightsee at Mach 2.
Mark.
16 May
16 May
8:46 p.m.
New subject: OT: Private jets was Re: Finding Classic Computers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Gregory" <mgregory(a)vantageresearch.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Finding Classic Computers
Actually, it's an ex-CF-104, built for the
Canadian Armed Forces. The
main
differences (IIRC) were in modified flaps, leading
edge slats and air
brakes to provide better low-speed performance. The perennially
cash-strapped CAF actually operated the Starfighter, designed as a
high-speed interceptor, as fighter-bombers (!) for ground support in
Europe. This doubtless contributed to the 104's reputation as a
"widow-maker" in the CAF.
Nice toy if you have money to burn and like to sightsee at Mach 2.
Lots of jet stuff on the s/h and surplus market these days. IF you have
deep enough pockets.
A Czech thing (L-29?) seems to be popular and fairly cheap. I saw a
very nice Australian registered
Jet Provost on www.barnstormers.com a couple days back for around
$69KUSD. It's lives in Tasmania, and did pylon racing there. Supposed
to be cheaper to own and operate than a piston engined warbird. Makes
sense, especially with the high octane stuff getting hard to find and
very expensive. Jet fuel is cheap in comparison.
Cheers
Geoff
17 May
17 May
8:07 p.m.
New subject: OT: Private jets was Re: Finding Classic Computers
In <003a01bfbfa1$aa938e20$de2c67cb(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au>au>, on
05/17/00
at 09:07 PM, "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au>
said:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Gregory" <mgregory(a)vantageresearch.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Finding Classic Computers
>> Nice toy if you have money to burn and like to
sightsee at Mach 2.
I've understood from some source or other that even if you own a
transonic/supersonic vehicle, you are not allowed to take it above mach
.98.
>>Jet fuel is cheap in comparison.
No kidding. AvGas is really steep these days and getting rare because
most new piston aircraft engines run on kerosene.
YHOSvt.
Technoid
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8:35 p.m.
New subject: OT: Private jets was Re: Finding Classic Computers
technoid(a)cheta.net wrote:
Nah, at least not in the US. FAR 91.817 describes what's necessary
for civil aircraft to exceed Mach 1; essentially you have to jump
through burning hoops of paperwork fire in order to demonstrate that
there's a reason why it's needed, that the test area isn't
environmentally sensitive and that the no sonic boom overpressure
will reach the surface outside the desginated test area. Most of
the verbage falls away if you're willing to restrict your activities
to overwater.
They also get you with FAR 91.819 and 91.821, which are airport
noise restrictions which would effectively preclude you from operating
in or out of most airports between 2200 and 0700, even if you never
took your bird supersonic.
Jeez, I've been spending too much time reading regs again...
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>> Nice
toy if you have money to burn and like to sightsee at Mach 2.
I've understood from some source or other that even if you own a
transonic/supersonic vehicle, you are not allowed to take it above mach
.98.
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