Thank you very much Pete. I was already so into bitch mode that I completely forgot to look for a work around. I's just that I have a problem to belive that someone invests a lot of work into webpages (or whatever) and then uses tools (and/or names) which again cut of most of the audience. I had a similar discusion with someone who did a collectors list using MS rubbish ... a simple 1 page table extended to several hundreds K of HTMLish junk - A list which could have been easy maintained in Notepad. I tried to show some ways to reduce it by a factor of 3 to 10 without loosing the fancy formating - only to her 'and where's the difference ? It looks like before'. (This is not ment as a reference to Claude his pages are sleak - slim build and even with Lynx accessable) I guess I should take it less personal ... Ciao Hans P.S.: The example about the page size is true ... there is a generation of collectors ahead who don't know anything about the ideas behind the prety plasic boxes. -- VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/