24 Aug
1998
24 Aug
'98
7:10 p.m.
Well, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with once in a while
destroying a useless piece of junk, like a PC or a C64 (despite
popular belief, third world countries will _not_ be better off with
more computers). In general, moderated violence is vital in society,
so that unmoderated violence is not as common. Singing and dancing
is good too, but remember that Cain is the one who was a vegetarian.
Of course, I have no idea why people showing off technology would
want to do it by smashing stuff. Ah, that's life...
The whole exercise is such a Beavis and Butthead thing
to do.
It never ceases to amaze me that, when offered an opportunity to
celebrate in a positive manner, groups of people will choose to smash,
burn and destroy things instead. If it were some kind of demonstration
against a particular company for some kind of social violations, it
least
smashing a computer made by that company would have
some kind of
symbolic
purpose (albeit still a negative one). But to just
smash something for
the hell of it.
I think there's a song about smashing a "perfectly good guitar."
Myself, I prefer dancing and singing to celebrate things. What
happened
to dressing up in costumes and building floats and
giving away free
stuff
like candy or food?
Ah well...
Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
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24 Aug
24 Aug
8:14 p.m.
Max Eskin wrote:
Well, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with once in a while
destroying a useless piece of junk, like a PC or a C64 (despite
popular belief, third world countries will _not_ be better off with
more computers). In general, moderated violence is vital in society,
so that unmoderated violence is not as common. Singing and dancing
is good too, but remember that Cain is the one who was a vegetarian.
Of course, I have no idea why people showing off technology would
want to do it by smashing stuff. Ah, that's life...
Yeah, that's something I always had a problem with, the idea that
vegetarians are peaceful and meat-eaters are violent without cause.
Well, my ancestors labored for literally millions of years to get
me to the top of the food chain and I will not waste their effort.
Of course, that's with animals, who (despite PETA) have no rights.
As a proper libertarian, I can never initiate force (or fraud)
against another person. Though if force is initiated against me, I
am justified in responding with whatever is required.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
Bill Gates has this situation where the federal government wants him
convicted for attempting a monopoly. Has Bill considered responding
with a question as to why there's only one Justice Department?
8:38 p.m.
On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:14:12 -0400, Ward wrote:
Well, my ancestors labored for literally millions of
years to get
me to the top of the food chain and I will not waste their effort.
Actually, that was an accidental side-effect of trying to survive.
We've outgrown the need for that now.
Of course, that's with animals, who (despite PETA)
have no rights.
As a proper libertarian, I can never initiate force (or fraud)
against another person. Though if force is initiated against me, I
am justified in responding with whatever is required.
What if an outraged libertarian PETA member destroys your barbecue
with a catapult-launched Packard-Bell 486? (Seriously, though; how
can you be a libertarian and condemn the freedom of others to protect
animals from pain and suffering?)
-Bill Richman
bill_r(a)inetnebr.com
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
(Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!)
9:13 p.m.
Bill Richman wrote:
Then that person is _not_ a libertarian. And I don't condemn the
freedom of others to protect animals _they own_ from pain and
suffering. I protect the animals _I own_ from such. But
initiating force to "protect" animals owned by others (or unowned)
is not acceptable.
This is now getting way off topic. Any who wish to debate further
email me directly -- I've got more libertarian URLs and mailing
list subscriptions than classic computing -- one is a hobby, the
other is serious -- computers are replaceable, freedom is not.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
Bill Gates has this situation where the federal government wants him
convicted for attempting a monopoly. Has Bill considered responding
with a question as to why there's only one Justice Department?
On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:14:12 -0400, Ward wrote:
What you mean "we", paleface? I've had tofu. I prefer pork. Or
beef or mutton or venison or for that matter dog.
Well, my ancestors labored for literally millions
of years to get
me to the top of the food chain and I will not waste their effort.
Actually, that was an accidental side-effect of trying to survive.
We've outgrown the need for that now. Of course,
that's with animals, who (despite PETA) have no rights.
As a proper libertarian, I can never initiate force (or fraud)
against another person. Though if force is initiated against me, I
am justified in responding with whatever is required.
What if an outraged libertarian PETA member destroys your barbecue
with a catapult-launched Packard-Bell 486? (Seriously, though; how
can you be a libertarian and condemn the freedom of others to protect
animals from pain and suffering?) 
25 Aug
25 Aug
12:22 a.m.
On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
Then that person is _not_ a libertarian. And I
don't condemn the
freedom of others to protect animals _they own_ from pain and
suffering. I protect the animals _I own_ from such. But
initiating force to "protect" animals owned by others (or unowned)
is not acceptable.
Can you really "own" another living being?
Anyone, as much as I agree and disagree with both of you, this topic is
noise for this list.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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