Well, I'm not sure if it's really pro-Mac, but more of pro-OS X, or is it pro-*BSD, and a bit of 'about time someone took it to the masses'. And I should fix my sig, it's now 10.1.4... [~] dwoycies% uname -a Darwin dwoyciesjes-g4.unipress.yale.edu 5.4 Darwin Kernel Version 5.4: Wed Apr 10 09:27:47 PDT 2002; root:xnu/xnu-201.19.3.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc And I should clarify, the only reason this machine has been rebooted since I loaded OS X back on 1/22/2002 is because Apple hasn't figured out how to update the system without a reboot... So that's only 3 reboots, all by choice, not crashes. So, technically the "Running without a crash" isn't really wrong. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash