9 Oct
2001
9 Oct
'01
10:25 a.m.
On October 9, Sellam Ismail wrote:
IP over carrier pigeon!!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Laurel, MD
4) Any other
interesting topologies I should try? I have plans to
do: Arcnet, FDDI, Token ring, Localtalk, 10b2, 10b5, 10bT, 10bTX,
10bFiber, and (eventually) 802.11b wireless.
String and tin cans? 
11:24 a.m.
On 09-Oct-2001 Absurdly Obtuse wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Dave McGuire wrote:
Bundles of punched cards by camel back over the Sahel. You might laugh,
but that's how the phones in some parts of Mali are run.
-Philip
PS: Yes, my SO is currently in one of those regions. Yes, this does
colour my view point.
IP over carrier pigeon!!
UUCP over floppies ferried by cars! BLEEEAAAAAARGH!! 
12:44 p.m.
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I know someone who measured the bandwidth and latency of himself carrying
a backpack full of floppies across the campus of Clarkson.
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 9 Oct
2001, Dave McGuire wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken Dave is talking about a transmittion method that's
actually been used. There is actually an RFC for it. IP over carrier pigeon!!
UUCP over floppies ferried by cars! BLEEEAAAAAARGH!!
Peace... Sridhar 
1:18 p.m.
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Absurdly Obtuse wrote:
I know someone who measured the bandwidth and latency
of himself carrying
a backpack full of floppies across the campus of Clarkson.
Don't laugh...
I worked at Amazon.com when they bought Alexa Internet in mid-1999. In
order to transfer the Alexa data to Amazon.com facilities, a 747 was
packed with DLTs and flown from San Francisco to Seattle. Quite simply it
represented the solution with the greatest bandwidth (by far) for the
dollar, where latency was not an issue.
We actually received more than one shipment of tapes, for updates, until
the Alexa collections were running fully out of the Amazon.com data
facility.
Now that I think of it, my current employer flew one of my co-workers
halfway across the country with an IBM 3490 and a suitcase full of tapes
to do the initial data replication for the pilot effort of our "business
continuity" initiative.
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a Volvo full of tape."
ok
r.
3:37 p.m.
Rumor has it that John Allain may have mentioned these words:
MMM... that'd be a Petabyte, IIRC. After that, would be an Exabyte, then a
Yottabyte <sp?> and then an Zetabyte <also sp??>
And why? Probably to install Windows XP & Office XP (2002) from... ;-)
Time to upgrade your hard drives again...
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
a 747 was
packed with DLTs and flown from
San Francisco to Seattle.
Such a transport could easily easily exceed 1,024 TeraBytes.
(forgot the Prefixname) What'd they need all that data for? 
3:56 p.m.
> a 747 was
packed with DLTs and flown from
> San Francisco to Seattle.
And why? Probably to install Windows XP &
Office XP (2002) from... ;-)
Time to upgrade your hard drives again... 
13 Oct
13 Oct
7:16 p.m.
MMM... that'd be a Petabyte, IIRC. After that,
would be an Exabyte,
I have an Exabyte tape drive. Big huh?
then a Yottabyte <sp?> and then an Zetabyte
<also sp??>
Actually, wasn't that Yoda
Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it that John Allain may have mentioned these words:
MMM... that'd be a Petabyte, IIRC. After that, would be an Exabyte, then a
Yottabyte <sp?> and then an Zetabyte <also sp??>
And why? Probably to install Windows XP & Office XP (2002) from... ;-)
Time to upgrade your hard drives again...
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
a 747 was
packed with DLTs and flown from
San Francisco to Seattle.
Such a transport could easily easily exceed 1,024 TeraBytes.
(forgot the Prefixname) What'd they need all that data for?
9 Oct
9 Oct
3:16 p.m.
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Dave McGuire wrote:
> IP over carrier pigeon!!
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Absurdly Obtuse wrote:
UUCP over floppies ferried by cars! BLEEEAAAAAARGH!!
OB_trivia: Correct attribution of the quote:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes going
down the highway."
11:53 a.m.
Dave McGuire said:
On October 9, Sellam Ismail wrote:
IP over carrier pigeon!!
There's even an RFC for this:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt?number=1149
:)
- Dan Wright
(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
-] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [-
``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
4) Any
other interesting topologies I should try? I have plans to
do: Arcnet, FDDI, Token ring, Localtalk, 10b2, 10b5, 10bT, 10bTX,
10bFiber, and (eventually) 802.11b wireless.
String and tin cans? 
3:11 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 03:53:03PM -0500, Dan Wright wrote:
Dave McGuire said:
Even better: It was actually implemented:
http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
But the implementation of RFC 2549 (IP over Avian Carriers with Quality
of Service) still remains to be done ...
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2549.txt
Regards,
Alex.
--
"So wird denn die GEMA nicht m?de, die globalisierungss?chtigen Verfechter
absoluter Kommunikationsfreiheit und damit Ver?chter von Kultur und geistigem
Eigentum immer wieder in die Schranken zu verweisen." *** GEMA-Pressezitat
On October 9, Sellam Ismail wrote:
IP over carrier pigeon!!
There's even an RFC for this:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt?number=1149 4) Any
other interesting topologies I should try? I have plans to
do: Arcnet, FDDI, Token ring, Localtalk, 10b2, 10b5, 10bT, 10bTX,
10bFiber, and (eventually) 802.11b wireless.
String and tin cans?
4:27 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
This is tres cool. 8-) You can even replicate the experiment using their
software.
But the implementation of RFC 2549 (IP over Avian
Carriers with Quality
of Service) still remains to be done ...
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2549.txt
I can't wait!
Peace... Sridhar
13 Oct
13 Oct
7:20 p.m.
> > 4) Any other interesting topologies I
should try?
How about MicroWave transmission ?
Or data encoded onto laser beams?
Or satellite bounced?
Dave McGuire wrote:
On October 9, Sellam Ismail wrote:
IP over carrier pigeon!!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Laurel, MD
4) Any
other interesting topologies I should try? I have plans to
do: Arcnet, FDDI, Token ring, Localtalk, 10b2, 10b5, 10bT, 10bTX,
10bFiber, and (eventually) 802.11b wireless.
String and tin cans?
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