8 Jun
2001
8 Jun
'01
5:23 a.m.
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:26:09 -0400 "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
writes:
there. I dropped a Cipher880MTU from 6' once.
It did a China
syndrome through the table below it down to the concrete.
This computer stuff is pretty dangerous.
(At least in Earth's gravity <g>)
Or in California where the damned ground won't hold still . . .:^)
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8 Jun
8 Jun
6:02 a.m.
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jeffrey l Kaneko wrote:
Or in California where the damned ground won't
hold still . . .:^)
Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this constantly
roiling land mass is silly.
When you consider that the east coast has on average at least one
hurricane every year like clockwork (and sometimes a majorly devastating
one), and that the midwest has dozens of tornados (some catastrophic), and
the Atlantic and northeast have terrible weather almost year round, I'll
take the occasional major earthquake every decade or two over all that
nonsense any day (and enjoy the great weather to boot).
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
7:31 a.m.
Well that, and New York had more than two hundred earthquakes last year.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jeffrey l Kaneko wrote:
Or in California where the damned ground
won't hold still . . .:^)
Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this constantly
roiling land mass is silly.
When you consider that the east coast has on average at least one
hurricane every year like clockwork (and sometimes a majorly devastating
one), and that the midwest has dozens of tornados (some catastrophic), and
the Atlantic and northeast have terrible weather almost year round, I'll
take the occasional major earthquake every decade or two over all that
nonsense any day (and enjoy the great weather to boot).
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
7:32 a.m.
All states have had tornados, some just more than others. In the 2 yrs I was
stationed in Kansas and the 8 yrs in middle IL and the 20 in Chicago I was
part of 1 damaging tornado - Oak Lawn in the early 70's. Since living here
in KY since 95 there have been 3 and one back in early 70's. When I was in
Las Vegas we had one good one on the desert but there wasn't anything there
to hurt but semi trucks are constantly blown off the highway and tipped by
invisible "dust devils" (when they hit pavement and have no dust to pull) or
dust storms, as does Califonia on the open desert.
Every place has their sucky weather or conditions. At least with a tornado
they can see it coming at you with radar, a little hard to do with
earthquakes until it actually hits and the seismographs go nuts. Of course
we also have some mythical fault here in the midwest that will be doomsday
someday but no one seems to know when. Sort of makes you know how ants feel
when you walk on their nest...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Sellam Ismail
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:02 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jeffrey l Kaneko wrote:
Or in California where the damned ground
won't hold still . . .:^)
Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this constantly
roiling land mass is silly.
When you consider that the east coast has on average at least one
hurricane every year like clockwork (and sometimes a majorly devastating
one), and that the midwest has dozens of tornados (some catastrophic), and
the Atlantic and northeast have terrible weather almost year round, I'll
take the occasional major earthquake every decade or two over all that
nonsense any day (and enjoy the great weather to boot).
Sellam Ismail Vintage
Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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10:11 a.m.
Quoting Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bigfoot.com>om>:
All states have had tornados, some just more than
others.
:-) Some have a LOT more. Oklahoma, for instance, where I live.
We've had bunch of little ones this tornado season.
I actually live about a mile south of the National Severe Storms
Laboratory (NSSL) and their field of radar towers. I took a tour
there waaay back in junior high school. The computer equipment was
amazing; I also saw Unix for the first time there. Unfortunately,
they are decidedly *not* a good source of classic computers, as
theirs must be taken to be scrapped according to some law.
semi trucks are constantly blown off the highway and
tipped by
invisible "dust devils"
Those aren't tornados.
Every place has their sucky weather or conditions. At
least with a
tornado they can see it coming at you with radar, a little hard to
do with earthquakes until it actually hits
While I admit that certain warning signs precede the possibility of
tornadoes, they are not *that* easy to track. Radar is not that
good. With radar we can see where the rotation spots are in the
storm, but the actual spotting and precise tracking has to be done
visually by stormchasers. Problems often arise, for instance when
the tornado is rain-wrapped or if it's dark. Some tornadoes come
without any warning at all.
Another problem is that our warning system (the local media) is
metro-centric. If you live in the OKC metro area (like me), that is
not a problem; the local media stays on TV nonstop to keep you
advised. If you live 50 miles or more away and are threatened by
a tornado, you don't even get close to the the same quality of
notification; the media is more concerned with getting back to
regular programming.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
10:37 a.m.
I know!! While stationed in Wichita we had temp duty assignments all over
Okie and the TX panhandle...everytime we switched the radio station we heard
the tornado warning go off from NOAA. Word is that your area is the
tornado's birthplace and they get shipped elsewhere.
I believe they have to do their computer equipment like most fed agencies -
up for reuse by other fed agencies, then state, then county, then chraities,
then up for auction - unless redistribution is restricted due to security
reasons.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Sharp
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:11 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
Quoting Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bigfoot.com>om>:
All states have had tornados, some just more than
others.
:-) Some have a LOT more. Oklahoma, for instance, where I live.
We've had bunch of little ones this tornado season.
I actually live about a mile south of the National Severe Storms
Laboratory (NSSL) and their field of radar towers. I took a tour
there waaay back in junior high school. The computer equipment was
amazing; I also saw Unix for the first time there. Unfortunately,
they are decidedly *not* a good source of classic computers, as
theirs must be taken to be scrapped according to some law.
semi trucks are constantly blown off the highway
and tipped by
invisible "dust devils"
Those aren't tornados.
Every place has their sucky weather or
conditions. At least with a
tornado they can see it coming at you with radar, a little hard to
do with earthquakes until it actually hits
While I admit that certain warning signs precede the possibility of
tornadoes, they are not *that* easy to track. Radar is not that
good. With radar we can see where the rotation spots are in the
storm, but the actual spotting and precise tracking has to be done
visually by stormchasers. Problems often arise, for instance when
the tornado is rain-wrapped or if it's dark. Some tornadoes come
without any warning at all.
Another problem is that our warning system (the local media) is
metro-centric. If you live in the OKC metro area (like me), that is
not a problem; the local media stays on TV nonstop to keep you
advised. If you live 50 miles or more away and are threatened by
a tornado, you don't even get close to the the same quality of
notification; the media is more concerned with getting back to
regular programming.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu 
11 Jun
11 Jun
7:10 a.m.
New subject: Storage of computer (done...)
I finally got a call through to the zoning person, actually a reasonable
human being. Apparently some "neighbor" filed a complaint that I was
running a resale computer business out of my house. I explained that this
was my hobby, and not operated for financial gain, which took some details,
but for now the case is closed. A letter or phone call will go back to the
complainer with my denial of business activity, and that is the end of it
unless they can somehow show proof of business operation.
Overall I still find the whole experience very chilling on the pleasurable
pursuit of a hobby. I have a bunch of stuff I am ready to get rid of, and
now I have to wonder if somebody is snooping on me ready to cause more
trouble if I sell something.
OTOH mentally it has me more focused on what part of this activity is fun,
buying neat stuff, fixing it, and helping fellow users. I really hate the
selling, shipping, generally business side of things.
7:15 a.m.
New subject: Storage of computer (done...)
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
I finally got a call through to the zoning person,
actually a
reasonable human being. Apparently some "neighbor" filed a complaint
that I was running a resale computer business out of my house. I
explained that this was my hobby, and not operated for financial gain,
which took some details, but for now the case is closed. A letter or
phone call will go back to the complainer with my denial of business
activity, and that is the end of it unless they can somehow show proof
of business operation.
Good!
Overall I still find the whole experience very
chilling on the
pleasurable pursuit of a hobby. I have a bunch of stuff I am ready to
get rid of, and now I have to wonder if somebody is snooping on me
ready to cause more trouble if I sell something.
I think you should be entitled to know which neighbor complained (after
all, you've been accused, you should be entitled to face your accuser...at
least that's how it works at trial under the U.S. system of law :) You
could then go speak with this neighbor and put them at ease. It'll give
you a chance to explain yourself (not that you should have to) and will
hopefully ease any tensions with that person, and hopefully they go away
with the impression that you're just a regular guy having fun, and leave
you alone.
The last thing I'd want is a crappy neighbor, as that just makes living
suck for all involved.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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10:38 a.m.
New subject: Storage of computer (done...)
--- Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
That's not how it works here. There is no trial, and, in fact, an assurance
of anonimity of the accuser, lest people be afraid to complain.
I think the difference is regarding criminal charges vs. statutatory
violations.
I finally got a call through to the zoning
person, actually a
reasonable human being. Apparently some "neighbor" filed a complaint...
I think you should be entitled to know which neighbor complained (after
all, you've been accused, you should be entitled to face your accuser...at
least that's how it works at trial under the U.S. system of law :) You could then go speak with this neighbor and put
them at ease...
That's not what the zoning board expects you to do if they tell you who
complains. They are afraid it will start/continue a neighborhood feud
that ends up on the six o'clock news.
The last thing I'd want is a crappy neighbor, as
that just makes living
suck for all involved.
Yep. Got one out by my farm... he bought this house on a 1/6th acre plot that
cost almost double what my farm did and he is particular about everything.
It's a shame my property got annexed by the city before I bought it. At least
I'm zoned "Rural" and can keep livestock... Peacocks are friendly birds,
especially at dawn. ;-)
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8:05 a.m.
New subject: Storage of computer (done...)
FWIW, generally speaking you cannot find out who filed the complaint until
the issue has been resolved. After that, you should be able to go down to
the zoning commission office and find out who filed the complaint. A similar
situation happened to me probably 10 years or so ago. After it was over, I
found out who complained, and paid them a visit. I was not antagonistic, but
I made it VERY clear if someone has a problem with me or what I am doing,
they best talk to me FIRST!!! I made enough of a stink that the zoning
person remembered me when I actually did have some non-working cars in the
"parking lot" at the back of the house a couple of years ago. I got rid of
them (which I had been procrastinating doing), called the zoning people, and
that was the end of it.
Mike Ford wrote:
I finally got a call through to the zoning person, actually a reasonable
human being. Apparently some "neighbor" filed a complaint that I was
running a resale computer business out of my house. I explained that this
was my hobby, and not operated for financial gain, which took some details,
but for now the case is closed. A letter or phone call will go back to the
complainer with my denial of business activity, and that is the end of it
unless they can somehow show proof of business operation.
Overall I still find the whole experience very chilling on the pleasurable
pursuit of a hobby. I have a bunch of stuff I am ready to get rid of, and
now I have to wonder if somebody is snooping on me ready to cause more
trouble if I sell something.
OTOH mentally it has me more focused on what part of this activity is fun,
buying neat stuff, fixing it, and helping fellow users. I really hate the
selling, shipping, generally business side of things.
8 Jun
8 Jun
10:15 a.m.
I had an argument recently with a brainless twit of a temporary
receptionist that Colorado would never have an earthquake. She
never did explain where the Rocky Mountains came from...
clint
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Every place has their sucky weather or conditions. At
least with a tornado
they can see it coming at you with radar, a little hard to do with
earthquakes until it actually hits and the seismographs go nuts. Of course
we also have some mythical fault here in the midwest that will be doomsday
someday but no one seems to know when. Sort of makes you know how ants feel
when you walk on their nest...
5:24 p.m.
Russ,
It's not mythical. About 10 to 15 years ago we got a small quake out of
it. I think it is in Ohio, but we felt a little tremor here in
Michigan. My uncle was building a dock in a lake, while a boat slowly
went by, during the tremor. He wondered how such a small boat, going so
slowly, could make such forceful wake :-) I was sitting in church, on a
Wed night, and the kid in front of me thought I was pushing on his
chair.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Russ Blakeman wrote:
Of course
we also have some mythical fault here in the midwest that will be doomsday
someday but no one seems to know when.
10:02 p.m.
I know about that and I also know that Reelfoot lake ont he west side of TN
was created by the same fault but what I'm referring to is all of the
doomsday talk that the end of the world is coming from New Madrid MO soon.
Anywhere has tremors and quakes, because we live on the plates of the crust
of the earth. The Mississippi and Ohio river confluences are very close to
NEw Madrid which might indicate that the fault's lines are the river beds.
What I'm not buying is the talk of of some terrible thing soon that will
open the earth - just as many Californians aren't out buying future
beachfront property in Nevada and Arizona.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:25 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
Russ,
It's not mythical. About 10 to 15 years ago we got a small quake out of
it. I think it is in Ohio, but we felt a little tremor here in
Michigan. My uncle was building a dock in a lake, while a boat slowly
went by, during the tremor. He wondered how such a small boat, going so
slowly, could make such forceful wake :-) I was sitting in church, on a
Wed night, and the kid in front of me thought I was pushing on his
chair.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Russ Blakeman wrote:
Of course
we also have some mythical fault here in the midwest that will
be doomsday
> someday but no one seems to know when. 
9 Jun
9 Jun
12:50 a.m.
It's not mythical. About 10 to 15 years ago we got
a small quake out of
it. I think it is in Ohio, but we felt a little tremor here in
Michigan. My uncle was building a dock in a lake, while a boat slowly
There's a major fault line that runs across southern
Illinois, so I would assume it extends into Indiana and Ohio. There
been talk about the possibility of having a major quake along it for
years.
Jeff
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2:18 a.m.
Uh-huh...the New Madrid fault and it funs from New Madrid MO to Pittsburgh
PA.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Hellige
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:51 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
There's a major fault line that runs across
southern
Illinois, so I would assume it extends into Indiana and Ohio. There
been talk about the possibility of having a major quake along it for
years.
Jeff
3:21 a.m.
Uh-huh...the New Madrid fault and it funs from New
Madrid MO to Pittsburgh
PA.
I've not lived in the midwest for nearly 20 years now and
couldn't remember what the name of it was until a few other posts
mentioned it by name after I sent that. One thing about the
midwest...if you like variety in your weather and seasons and such,
it's a good place to go!
Jeff
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8 Jun
8 Jun
7:35 a.m.
Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this constantly
roiling land mass is silly.
And I have always wanted *some* sort of earthquake to see what it is like
when I am there... But noooooo....
When you consider that the east coast has on average
at least one
hurricane every year like clockwork (and sometimes a majorly devastating
one), and that the midwest has dozens of tornados (some catastrophic), and
the Atlantic and northeast have terrible weather almost year round, I'll
take the occasional major earthquake every decade or two over all that
nonsense any day (and enjoy the great weather to boot).
I vaca'd in Carlsbad for three weeks in Dec-Jan.... Perfect weather... Hang
outside in the hottub... The beach just down the street... What a good time!
Tijuana for New Years Eve.. (I am glad I wasn't too drunk when I came back!)
And I am living in the northeast.. Where right now the weather is very nice..
But .. it can and will change.
Bryan
7:58 a.m.
We had an earthquake in the middle of the night back in 84 when I lived in
Plattsburgh NY (across from Burlington, VT) and it was havy for that area
but nothing for a Califonia quake - it was absolutely WEIRD. It was like
standing on an elevated platform in Chicago when the train comes by -
multiplied 20 or 30 times. The ground tremors from bomb testing on the
Nellis Range in Nevada were stronger but we knew they were coming and why
they happened.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bryan Pope
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:36 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this
constantly
roiling land mass is silly.
And I have always wanted *some* sort of earthquake to see what it is like
when I am there... But noooooo....
10:06 a.m.
I remember that. I was in Lake George at the time.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
We had an earthquake in the middle of the night back
in 84 when I lived in
Plattsburgh NY (across from Burlington, VT) and it was havy for that area
but nothing for a Califonia quake - it was absolutely WEIRD. It was like
standing on an elevated platform in Chicago when the train comes by -
multiplied 20 or 30 times. The ground tremors from bomb testing on the
Nellis Range in Nevada were stronger but we knew they were coming and why
they happened.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bryan Pope
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:36 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this
constantly
roiling land mass is silly.
And I have always wanted *some* sort of earthquake to see what it is like
when I am there... But noooooo....
10:38 a.m.
It was centered on Whiteface Mountain, near Lake Placid and Lake George is
jsut down the street. Beautiful area but you quickly get tired of toques and
hearing "eh?" (hey no offense to you Canadians eh?)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vance Dereksen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:06 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
I remember that. I was in Lake George at the time.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
We had an earthquake in the middle of the night
back in 84 when
I lived in
Plattsburgh NY (across from Burlington, VT) and
it was havy for
that area
but nothing for a Califonia quake - it was
absolutely WEIRD. It was like
standing on an elevated platform in Chicago when the train comes by -
multiplied 20 or 30 times. The ground tremors from bomb testing on the
Nellis Range in Nevada were stronger but we knew they were
coming and why
they happened.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bryan Pope
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:36 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
>
>
> >
> > Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this
> constantly
> > roiling land mass is silly.
> >
>
> And I have always wanted *some* sort of earthquake to see
what it is like
when I am
there... But noooooo....
1:55 p.m.
New subject: OT: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area)
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Bryan Pope wrote:
They're actually quite fun. The last two that I was in were the ones in
the desert in San Bernadino back in the early 90s. I was in Rancho
Cucamonga, which is about an hour west of the epicenter. I was sleeping
on my sister's couch after getting shit-faced at my cousin's wedding that
night. The first one hit at around 4am. It was a little nerve wracking.
When the second one came an hour later, I decided it would be a good time
to see if the ground moves like a wave as I'd heard from others, so I
layed on the floor and enjoyed the ride. Meanwhile my sister is screaming
for everyone to get under a door. She's always been jumpy in earthquakes
:)
Now that I'm a home owner living within 20 miles of a major fault, I don't
have such a cavalier attitude anymore, especially since earthquake
insurance in California is a funny joke (i.e. even if you could afford it,
it's better to forgo it and take your chances).
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Just a rant,
but this whole perception of California being this constantly
roiling land mass is silly.
And I have always wanted *some* sort of earthquake to see what it is
like when I am there... But noooooo.... 
5:46 p.m.
New subject: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area)
Sellam wrote:
They're actually quite fun. [snip]
To make this remotely on topic, I recall experiencing an earthquake
at ROLM MSC in the early 80's. The MSC campus was located in San Jose,
on North First, and was (at the time) a standard-issue south bay
two story tilt-up for offices along with a large single-story structure
for manufacturing.
One afternoon I and a few other people were at the coffee station outside
the machine room when a modest earthquake hit. It was interesting watching
waves roll through the concrete slab on which we were standing.
The episode also immediately exposed the California natives (we're the ones
who stood around watching the waves in the floor while drinking coffee and
eyeing the nearest desks and doorways) and the non-natives (who went
screaming
out of the building).
Now that I'm a home owner living within 20 miles
of a major fault, I don't
have such a cavalier attitude anymore, especially since earthquake
insurance in California is a funny joke (i.e. even if you could afford it,
it's better to forgo it and take your chances).
Or, as one agent put it to me "be sure you knock over a candle on your way
out
of your earthquake damaged house".
--
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6:14 p.m.
New subject: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area)
IIRC, the largest US quake (of which we have reliable evidence) in the
last 150 years was on the New Madrid fault in (I think) Tennessee, which
changed the course of the Ohio River. It was approaching a 9.0 R.
So California can not claim to have *all* the fun.
Cheers
John
9:05 p.m.
New subject: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin
On Sat, 09 Jun 2001, you wrote:
IIRC, the largest US quake (of which we have reliable
evidence) in the
last 150 years was on the New Madrid fault in (I think) Tennessee, which
changed the course of the Ohio River. It was approaching a 9.0 R.
So California can not claim to have *all* the fun.
You Americans get all the fun... Here in the UK I have only experienced one
earthquake, big by our stanadrds, of about 3 R, it felt like a particularly
heavy truck going past. We never have any _decent_ tornadoes, just whirwinds
which knock over a few trees. We haven't got any volcanoes, and decent
thunderstorms are few and far between.
The closest I get to the wild side of nature is to watch it on TV :(.
I must point out so as not to cause offence that I accept that these things
cause tragedy for many people, and should probably not be perceived as fun.
--
Regards
Pete
10:07 p.m.
New subject: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin
If you did have tornadoes and earthquakes you'd probably have a bad weather
tax too :-) Want some fun weather? Go to Iceland around late December when
the south winds bring up warm air into subzero hard frozen weather and an
effect similar to a hurricane occurs, only with driving rains and high winds
on top of hard packed frozen snow and ice. Makes for an interesting couple
days.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Peter Joules
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 4:06 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin
On Sat, 09 Jun 2001, you wrote:
IIRC, the largest US quake (of which we have
reliable evidence) in the
last 150 years was on the New Madrid fault in (I think) Tennessee, which
changed the course of the Ohio River. It was approaching a 9.0 R.
So California can not claim to have *all* the fun.
You Americans get all the fun... Here in the UK I have only
experienced one
earthquake, big by our stanadrds, of about 3 R, it felt like a
particularly
heavy truck going past. We never have any _decent_ tornadoes,
just whirwinds
which knock over a few trees. We haven't got any volcanoes, and decent
thunderstorms are few and far between.
The closest I get to the wild side of nature is to watch it on TV :(.
I must point out so as not to cause offence that I accept that
these things
cause tragedy for many people, and should probably not be
perceived as fun.
--
Regards
Pete
9 Jun
9 Jun
2:34 a.m.
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
If you did have tornadoes and earthquakes you'd
probably have a bad weather
tax too :-)
Yes, I wouldn't put it past the UK government, either that or they would make
it illegal to go out in it in case someone got hurt and then say that the
legislation was needed because of the popular demand for it.
Want some fun weather? Go to Iceland around late
December when
the south winds bring up warm air into subzero hard frozen weather and an
effect similar to a hurricane occurs, only with driving rains and high winds
on top of hard packed frozen snow and ice. Makes for an interesting couple
days.
That sounds interesting ;-)
--
Regards
Pete
6:01 a.m.
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Peter Joules wrote:
Yes, I wouldn't put it past the UK government,
either that or they would make
it illegal to go out in it in case someone got hurt and then say that the
legislation was needed because of the popular demand for it.
It's surprising that our ever so intelligent (or so they believe)
politicians (grinning jackasses) have not passed laws here declaring
it illegal to be outdoors during a thunderstorm or when one is
approaching; after all, they are always trying to protect (or so they
say, although we know that, for the most part, they're a bunch of
interfering busybodies who despise such concepts as liberty and
freedom) us (actually, they want to protect business interests who
helped them get elected, those that they owe a favor to, who stand to
gain financially in some way from further laws imposed upon us).
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8:37 p.m.
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2001, R. D. Davis wrote:
although we know that, for the most part, they're
a bunch of
interfering busybodies who despise such concepts as liberty and
freedom) us (actually, they want to protect business interests who
helped them get elected, those that they owe a favor to, who stand to
gain financially in some way from further laws imposed upon us).
That sounds like our government. I thought that, in the USA, your written
constitution provided a legislative framework which controlled potential
excesses by the government of the day? Here they just make it up as they go
along. ATM even the interests of industry are frequently ignored in the rush
to be the first to implement new European legislation. We are, it appears,
obedient subjects of the United Sates of Europe :(
--
Regards
Pete
10 Jun
10 Jun
1:30 p.m.
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Quoting Peter Joules <peter(a)joules.org>rg>:
these things cause tragedy for many people, and should
probably
not be perceived as fun.
They can be fun. When we had our big 'May 3rd' tornado in 1999
(which I believe was one of the biggest in history), I was glued to
the television. It was *fun* to watch. Of course, going to the
cellar later on was not... :-)
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
8 Jun
8 Jun
10:12 p.m.
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That's the one that created Reelfoot Lake in TN...caused the Mississippi to
run backward for a day or two while water was opened to a new space to fill.
I don't think many people were hurt in it though, unlike the one in San
Francisco in 1906 (?) that pretty well destroyed most of SF.
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From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Lawson
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 1:14 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer
and parts in the residential area)
IIRC, the largest US quake (of which we have reliable evidence) in the
last 150 years was on the New Madrid fault in (I think) Tennessee, which
changed the course of the Ohio River. It was approaching a 9.0 R.
So California can not claim to have *all* the fun.
Cheers
John
11 Jun
11 Jun
10:42 a.m.
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--- Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bigfoot.com> wrote:
That's the one that created Reelfoot Lake in
TN...caused the Mississippi to
run backward for a day or two while water was opened to a new space to fill.
I don't think many people were hurt in it though, unlike the one in San
Francisco in 1906 (?) that pretty well destroyed most of SF.
That's because of the population density along the Mississippi in the middle
of the 19th C. When the next one like that hits, it will affect millions.
-ethan
(who lives in Ohio and has experienced several (small) perceptible earthquakes
there)
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If the river doesn't get them first!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:42 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer
and parts in the residential area)
--- Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bigfoot.com> wrote:
That's the one that created Reelfoot Lake in
TN...caused the
Mississippi to
run backward for a day or two while water was
opened to a new
space to fill.
I don't think many people were hurt in it
though, unlike the one in San
Francisco in 1906 (?) that pretty well destroyed most of SF.
That's because of the population density along the Mississippi in
the middle
of the 19th C. When the next one like that hits, it will affect millions.
-ethan
(who lives in Ohio and has experienced several (small)
perceptible earthquakes
there)
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9 Jun
9 Jun
11:07 a.m.
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In message <Pine.NEB.4.33.0106090209230.8073-100000(a)panix3.panix.com>om>, John Law
son writes:
IIRC, the largest US quake (of which we have reliable
evidence) in the
last 150 years was on the New Madrid fault in (I think) Tennessee, which
changed the course of the Ohio River. It was approaching a 9.0 R.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, I think it was the Mississippi
that was reversed. As I understand it, what happened was that
one quake created an opening between the river and a low valley.
As water rushed into the valley, the souther part of the
river ran backwards. A few days later another quake closed
off the opening leaving the newly created Reelfoot lake.
Of course, if I'm thinking of a different quake, then I've
just contributed to the topic drift. At least it's more
than 10 years ago :-)
Brian
11 Jun
11 Jun
6:23 a.m.
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I believe the New Madrid fault is in Missouri.
Peace... Sridhar
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, John Lawson wrote:
IIRC, the largest US quake (of which we have reliable evidence) in the
last 150 years was on the New Madrid fault in (I think) Tennessee, which
changed the course of the Ohio River. It was approaching a 9.0 R.
So California can not claim to have *all* the fun.
Cheers
John
8:20 a.m.
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Vance Dereksen wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, John Lawson wrote:
> IIRC, the largest US quake (of which we have
reliable evidence) in the
> last 150 years was on the New Madrid fault in (I think) Tennessee, which
> changed the course of the Ohio River. It was approaching a 9.0 R.
I believe the New Madrid fault is in Missouri.
It actually cuts across of number of states which include Tennessee and
Missouri. Mind you, it's not as big as the fault systems out in the
western United States.
http://www.ceri.memphis.edu/public/facts_long.shtml
I don't know if it was associated with the New Madrid fault, but sometime
in the summer of either 1988 or 1989, I can remember feeling an earthquake
in Northern Indiana. It was during the day, and I happened to be reading
on my bed on the seconrd story of our home. It wasn't very strong quake,
but enough to give a quick uneasy jolt that lasted a second or two. I'm
not sure where the epicenter was located.
ObClassicCmp: What sort of computer systems have the US Geological Survery
used historical to monitor earthquake activity?
-brian.
10 Jun
10 Jun
10:46 p.m.
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At 10:46 PM 6/8/01 -0700, you wrote:
The episode also immediately exposed the California
natives (we're the ones
who stood around watching the waves in the floor while drinking coffee and
eyeing the nearest desks and doorways) and the non-natives (who went
screaming
out of the building).
In my experience, the more "seasoned" the observers are, the more
panic they'll experience. Some of the most quake-paranoid people
I have seen are Mexico-Citiers and colombians in the central
coffee-growing region. But they've been through 10K+ death tolls...
carlos.
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11 Jun
11 Jun
6:23 a.m.
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I went to my friends place in California once. While I was there, the
ground started to shake, so I ducked under a table. He said, "Oh... the
big, bad New Yorker. He's afraid of a little earthquake." So I shot him.
8-)
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Chris Kennedy wrote:
Sellam wrote:
They're actually quite fun. [snip]
To make this remotely on topic, I recall experiencing an earthquake
at ROLM MSC in the early 80's. The MSC campus was located in San Jose,
on North First, and was (at the time) a standard-issue south bay
two story tilt-up for offices along with a large single-story structure
for manufacturing.
One afternoon I and a few other people were at the coffee station outside
the machine room when a modest earthquake hit. It was interesting watching
waves roll through the concrete slab on which we were standing.
The episode also immediately exposed the California natives (we're the ones
who stood around watching the waves in the floor while drinking coffee and
eyeing the nearest desks and doorways) and the non-natives (who went
screaming
out of the building).
Now that I'm a home owner living within 20
miles of a major fault, I don't
have such a cavalier attitude anymore, especially since earthquake
insurance in California is a funny joke (i.e. even if you could afford it,
it's better to forgo it and take your chances).
Or, as one agent put it to me "be sure you knock over a candle on your way
out
of your earthquake damaged house".
--
Chris Kennedy
chris(a)mainecoon.com
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8 Jun
8 Jun
8:12 a.m.
I used to think that living in the Northwest (Oregon) was pretty
safe/boring...
Then St. Helens woke up....
Never take anything for granted again....
George Rachor
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Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com
United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jeffrey l Kaneko wrote:
Or in California where the damned ground
won't hold still . . .:^)
Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this constantly
roiling land mass is silly.
When you consider that the east coast has on average at least one
hurricane every year like clockwork (and sometimes a majorly devastating
one), and that the midwest has dozens of tornados (some catastrophic), and
the Atlantic and northeast have terrible weather almost year round, I'll
take the occasional major earthquake every decade or two over all that
nonsense any day (and enjoy the great weather to boot).
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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5:16 p.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
and that the midwest has dozens of tornados (some
catastrophic),
Tornado Alley is pretty bad but here in Michigan we don't have much of a
problem.
and
the Atlantic and northeast have terrible weather almost year round,
Yes, but they have wonderful treasure troves of computers :-) We have
none in Michigan, I think they have been outlawed here with the
exception UofM, MSU, and GM, Ford, and what's left of Chrysler.
I'll
take the occasional major earthquake every decade or two over all that
nonsense any day (and enjoy the great weather to boot).
California has more earthquakes than every decade or two. They might be
smaller, but they still cause damages and strike fear into the rest of
the nation.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
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