31 Aug
2006
31 Aug
'06
4:07 p.m.
On Aug 31 2006, 12:34, Hans Franke wrote:
"Most"? I don't think so. 2 billion ARM/XScale cores licensed in the
last 12 months, and about a quarter that number of MIPS chips/cores.
Pentiums don't even come close.
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Roy J. Tellason wrote:
> Interesting question. I know that the last time
I was paying
attention to
> that area, embedded systems were starting to use
386 chips. And
my Tek
scope has an
8088 in it...
After all, it doesn't doesn't realy matter what CPU is used, as
long as it does it's job as a black box controll system.
But yeah, Pentiums (and alikes) are already the base for most new
embedded developments. 
1 Sep
1 Sep
3:44 a.m.
Am 1 Sep 2006 0:07 meinte Pete Turnbull:
On Aug 31 2006, 12:34, Hans Franke wrote:
> Roy J. Tellason wrote:
> > Interesting question. I know that the last time I was paying
> > attention to that area, embedded systems were starting to use
> > 386 chips. And my Tek scope has an 8088 in it...
> After all, it doesn't doesn't realy
matter what CPU is used, as
> long as it does it's job as a black box controll system.
> But yeah, Pentiums (and alikes) are already the
base for most new
> embedded developments.
"Most"? I don't think so. 2 billion
ARM/XScale cores licensed in the
last 12 months, and about a quarter that number of MIPS chips/cores.
Pentiums don't even come close.
Well, yes, you got me nailed down there. I was only thinking
in the area of low volume embedded system - classic machinery
control, idustrial applications. That's here the part I know
most, and where I found that x86 is strong.
Would it be better phrased if I said: Pentums and alikes are
by now the majority of new x86 based embedded systems?
Gruss
H.
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4:03 a.m.
All,
On 9/1/06, Hans Franke <Hans.Franke at siemens.com> wrote:
[Arm processors being embedded]
Well, yes, you got me nailed down there. I was only
thinking
in the area of low volume embedded system - classic machinery
control, idustrial applications. That's here the part I know
most, and where I found that x86 is strong.
Please don't confirm my fears by saying the Siemens S7 series of PLCs
is x86 based.
Simon
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5:01 a.m.
New subject: Siemens PCS7 (was: Statement & apology (was Re: 10 Year Rule))
Am 1 Sep 2006 12:03 meinte Simon Fryer:
On 9/1/06, Hans Franke <Hans.Franke at
siemens.com> wrote:
[Arm processors being embedded]
> Well, yes, you got me nailed down there. I was
only thinking
> in the area of low volume embedded system - classic machinery
> control, idustrial applications. That's here the part I know
> most, and where I found that x86 is strong.
Please don't confirm my fears by saying the
Siemens S7 series of PLCs
is x86 based.
Well, for one the PCS7 (or are you talking about the FSC
TFT-Display S7, or the Siemens S7 mobile phone?) is definitly
upper edge, for large scale control. And I don'T know all
components or internals here. At least the OS (operating
Station) part is Win2k based, and all development tools
are Windows based - thus it's safe to assume that his PC
anf 19" boxes hav at least one Pentium inside. For the AS
and ET processors I realy don't know. The software is
bundeled as a 'PCS-Library', and I'm prety shure that at
least some of the perhipherals use 166/167 CPUs.
BTW, a real neat chip. 8 register sets with 4 'virtual'
cores - task switch in a single clock cycles between
these - it's realy easy to programm communication and
controll applications with a great degree of paralell
processing.
To my memory, the PCS 7 is the follow up to the TELEPERM,
for quite large installations (aka chemical industry, car
manufacurer, etc. THe TELEPERM has been around since the
late 70s, based on custom CPUs. The migration did go smooth
since the dezentralized approach and most protokolls where
kept, or have been ported back. My guess is that there migh
be Pentiums, but rather running portet (or new) Versions of
the old custom minis.
Anyway, I can not realy relive you here.
But then again, for real world applications (beside the
geekisch ivory tower of the beauty of CPUs), all that
counts is if the System does a reliable performance of
what I want it to do. If they can tame a Pentium (and
Windows) to do the trick, fine with me - for the job!
Gruss
H.
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