Also note that while at the Montagar site you ask for two different requests told me that the hobbyist CD issue with 7.3-1 is coming soon. Currently the web site says they are out of VAX 7.2 CDs, thus my original post. Also note that a few third party vendors have joined the program, and you can get hobbyist licenses from them also. Even though it says DECUS number on the hobbyist PAK site, you can also use your Encompass US Associate number. Note that Encompass is the HP user group, and that Associate membership is free. There is a slightly confusing point - Encompass associate membership does not get you restricted Encompass web site access, so you will NOT be e-mailed a password, just your Encompass number. So once you have that, proceed to the Montagar site. The Montagar process is efficient; your PAKs are emailed within 15 minutes. The VMS fans on this list should see, for example, http://www.process.com/openvms/index.html Process Software has a hobbyist license for some of their products. They bought up MuiltiNet from TGV. I always though TGV was one of the better TCP/IP's for VMS. For today's trivia, TGV was an acronym for Two Guys and a VAX. Thanks to some help from list member Antonio Carlini, I am now up with VMS and Multinet, NFS, C and a few other items on a VAXstation 4000-90.