13 Jun
2006
13 Jun
'06
6:37 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tim Riker
Sent: dinsdag 13 juni 2006 7:00
To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Top Posting and Message Trimming
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Anyone can get a gmail account or similar.
I am sorry, but I can not strip that footer, and you know that. And no,
I use e-mail server, and I am not going to get a gmail or whatever
account.
It is a sad thing to see that the less tolerant attitude of the world
is catching up on this list of old computers addicts.
If I post to this list, it is always on topic. You will have a difficult
time finding a reply on one of the *many* garbage threads on this list!
If more people are "offended" by a footer, that I can not control, there
are two options. 1) you see that I posted a message, so just delete it.
Put me in your kill file. 2) Tell me, and I wil never reply to anything
on this list.
I would not want to ruin anybody's day because he sees a footer in my
reply. And to keep my reply count low, I am not replying on this thread
anymore. Yes, I will keep reading this list, because I *learn* from some
of the posters on this list.
- Henk, PA8PDP.
BTW, sorry for the footer (if it appears)
This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may
contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure
under applicable law.
If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this
message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by
telephone and with a "reply" message.
Thank you for your cooperation.
>Another thing to avoid is adding a footer like
the above
claiming that
>this message is in any way protected. This is
NOT a private list.
>Archives are online. If you believe that the message you
are sending
>should not be going to the general public,
then DO NOT POST.
>
>I would recommend that the mail list reject any messages
with such a
clause
attached to them.
Some people can't control for this, though. My work address adds on
such crap automatically, and if it's the only address they have ... Naturally I use my home E-mail for this sort of
stuff.
Exactly what I'd recommend. :)
--
Tim Riker - http://rikers.org/ - TimR at Debian.org Embedded
Linux Technologist BZFlag maintainer - http://BZFlag.org/ - for fun!
13 Jun
13 Jun
8:47 p.m.
Gooijen, Henk wrote:
This is your choice.
[ stripped
stuff about "private" footers on "public" lists ]
I am sorry, but I can not strip that footer, and you know that. And no,
I use e-mail server, and I am not going to get a gmail or whatever
account. [ more stuff snipped ]
BTW, sorry for the footer (if it appears)
[ "private" footer snipped ]
Unfortunately in today's world there are a lot of legal types that sue
people for silly things. The day may come when someone will claim
ownership "rights" on the emails you have posted using their $$ (ie:
servers and bandwidth) and will sue someone like Jay for posting "their"
emails on a public server. Whether they win or loose or even if they
have the right to claim ownership is all immaterial. Your opinions on
those will also be more or less irrelevant. The impact is that whoever
is doing useful things like posting archives online will have to deal
with the legal issues. From my experience, the most likely outcome of
this is that the archives will be removed rather than fight the battle.
This does the entire community (including yourself) a disservice, which
I expect you would not like to see.
The fact remains that this could well happen and the likelihood is
greater because of your choice to use a service that adds these silly
footers.
While I agree that it's all silly. I object to your choice to propagate
the silliness. If I was the list admin, I'd reject messages with silly
disclaimers and make life easier for the future list archivists. I
understand that this makes life more difficult for list members. It's
just the choice I would make. Jay is free to make his own choice.
Apologies to any who read this far and think this a waste of electrons.
Perhaps it is. ;-)
--
Tim Riker - http://Rikers.org/ - TimR at Debian.org
Embedded Linux Technologist - http://eLinux.org/
BZFlag maintainer - http://BZFlag.org/ - for fun!
14 Jun
14 Jun
3:05 a.m.
I'm afraid to comment for fear people will think I'm insisting on "do it
this way". So... what follows is my personal opinion, and not really meant
to be 'list policy'.
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I personally dislike top posting. But there's something I dislike more - and
that's bottom posting without trimming the reply appropriately. Otherwise
it's way too much scrolling :) And it's not just me that dislikes
top-posting. Top posting has been against published netiquette for years.
However, as time has progressed people have glossed over some of the stuff
they think is too prissy (which in my own opinion means they are being
sloppy, and some may consider it rude).
I dislike signatures, mainly because some claim corporate property or
confidentiality which makes little sense. There are a few that have
politically oriented signatures which has absolutely no place on the list
(ok, that one is policy-ish ;) ). If it was trivial to do, I think I'd set
the list to automatically remove all signatures but I don't believe that's
at all possible, I think most footers are added as plain text and not as
identifiable strippable stuff. Ah well.
It's unfortunate that this topic causes people's dander to get up. I am not
setting out any policies on this, so I don't expect any replies, rebuttals,
or dead horse beating (at least with regards to trying to effect list
policies) :)
Jay
11:18 a.m.
Jay West wrote:
dislikes top-posting. Top posting has been against
published netiquette
for years. However, as time has progressed people have glossed over some
of the stuff they think is too prissy (which in my own opinion means
they are being sloppy, and some may consider it rude).
I don't think it's that, as such. I think some application designers (email,
news) made poor decisions in making top-posting pretty much their default, and
acceptance (often forced, in a corporate environment) of those apps made it
hard for their users to do anything but top-post.
When all is said and done, the actual number of people who think top-posting
is the right thing to do is *very* thin on the ground - but some popular
applications do force peoples' hands somewhat.
I dislike signatures, mainly because some claim
corporate property or
confidentiality which makes little sense. There are a few that have
politically oriented signatures which has absolutely no place on the
list (ok, that one is policy-ish ;) ). If it was trivial to do, I think
I'd set the list to automatically remove all signatures
See my other post - problem there is that a fair number of posters *do*
include useful, legitimate contact details in their sigs. Often that may be
something as simple as info on how to remove any spam traps from their
displayed email address.
I'm sure it's possible to strip sigs - even if it's a tweak and recompile of
the mail list software - but it's a potentially bad thing to do even though it
would get rid of the moronic junk that some companies insist on adding to
employee emails :-(
Actually, dumping any sig with the word 'confidential' in it would probably
nuke nearly all the legalese ones, and dropping any with 'virus' in would get
the ones inserted by AV software (despite this list being text-only and so the
info is unnecessary) :-)
So it probably *could* be done. Is it worth the effort? No. :-)
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