6 Jun
2013
6 Jun
'13
10:29 a.m.
I am still looking for a "horse's mouth" reference, but it seems HP has
just given the VMS community the finger.
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only be
supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY
BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome that it lasted
this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this industry, one for the
history books. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
(Now we get to watch all the stupid suits who equate "no longer sold" with
"doesn't work anymore". Heh.)
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
6 Jun
6 Jun
10:38 a.m.
On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I am still looking for a "horse's mouth" reference, but it seems HP has
just given the VMS community the finger.
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
There's been a lot of talk on the LinkedIn community page about the
fact that they've refused to commit to supporting Poulson, which
would indicate that. 2016 is probably their sales EOL for existing
Tukwila boxes.
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more
years and will only be
supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says
"WILL EVENTUALLY
BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome that it lasted
this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this industry, one for the
history books. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
With any luck, they'll decide to sell it instead. I don't know to
whom, though; who would have the capability to take that on? I
don't think supporting VMS on "commodity PC hardware" is really a
desirable thing, but that's about what's left for anyone to make
who isn't an industry giant like HP or IBM. Or Oracle, I guess,
but obviously, the latter two aren't exactly likely candidates.
- Dave
11:49 a.m.
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, David Riley wrote:
On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
With any luck, they'll decide to sell
it instead. I don't know to
whom, though; who would have the capability to take that on? I
don't think supporting VMS on "commodity PC hardware" is really a
desirable thing, but that's about what's left for anyone to make
who isn't an industry giant like HP or IBM. Or Oracle, I guess,
but obviously, the latter two aren't exactly likely candidates.
Oracle would NOT do ANYTHING good with OpenVMS. They would give the
community the finger, AND THEN kick them repeatedly, and continue kicking
them until they run away screaming.
- Dave
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12:51 p.m.
On 06/06/2013 02:49 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, David Riley wrote:
You forgot "and then charge them for the privilege of the beatdown"
On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
With any luck, they'll decide to sell
it instead. I don't know to
whom, though; who would have the capability to take that on? I
don't think supporting VMS on "commodity PC hardware" is really a
desirable thing, but that's about what's left for anyone to make
who isn't an industry giant like HP or IBM. Or Oracle, I guess,
but obviously, the latter two aren't exactly likely candidates.
Oracle would NOT do ANYTHING good with OpenVMS. They would give the
community the finger, AND THEN kick them repeatedly, and continue
kicking them until they run away screaming.
1:28 p.m.
On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Brian Wheeler <bdwheele at indiana.edu> wrote:
On 06/06/2013 02:49 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Listen, man, jackboots aren't cheap.
- Dave
Oracle would NOT do ANYTHING good with OpenVMS.
They would give the community the finger, AND THEN kick them repeatedly, and continue
kicking them until they run away screaming.
You forgot "and then charge them for the privilege of the beatdown" 
4:59 p.m.
New subject: discontinuance of VMS (and death of Solaris)
On 06/06/13 2:49 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, David Riley wrote:
The same Oracle that did the same thing with Solaris...
--T
On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
With any luck, they'll decide to sell
it instead. I don't know to
whom, though; who would have the capability to take that on? I
don't think supporting VMS on "commodity PC hardware" is really a
desirable thing, but that's about what's left for anyone to make
who isn't an industry giant like HP or IBM. Or Oracle, I guess,
but obviously, the latter two aren't exactly likely candidates.
Oracle would NOT do ANYTHING good with OpenVMS. They would give the
community the finger, AND THEN kick them repeatedly, and continue
kicking them until they run away screaming.
11:03 a.m.
I've seen references to it, but I haven't seen an official announcement,
either.
HP has been giving VMS the finger for years. Compaq sucked, but at
least they give VMS a reasonable shot.
Brian
On 06/06/2013 01:29 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
I am still looking for a "horse's
mouth" reference, but it seems HP has
just given the VMS community the finger.
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only be
supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says
"WILL EVENTUALLY
BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome that it lasted
this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this industry, one for the
history books. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
(Now we get to watch all the stupid suits who equate "no longer sold" with
"doesn't work anymore". Heh.)
-Dave
5:14 p.m.
At 1:29 PM -0400 6/6/13, Dave McGuire wrote:
I am still looking for a "horse's
mouth" reference, but it seems HP has
just given the VMS community the finger.
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
When they bought Compaq, they would only commit to support through
2020, the rumor at the time was that this is the date required by
Government contracts.
As far as I'm concerned VMS died when they fired the developers and
moved support to India.
Zane
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7 Jun
7 Jun
2:46 a.m.
On 07/06/2013, at 10:14 AM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
As far as I'm concerned VMS died when they fired the developers and moved support to
India.
Which was a very sad day as I have many friends from ZKO.
Today was a day we all knew were coming and all had hoped that it was a long time in the
future. I've been very fortunate that after leaving HP I am now managing a complex,
mission critical OpenVMS environment again which has been a real buzz and it looks like
I'll have a career bookended by OpenVMS - starting on a VAX-11/780 over 30 years ago?
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies at kerberos.davies.net.au
Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the
Australia | air, the sky would be painted green"
9:18 a.m.
I wonder how this will affect the OpenVMS Hobbyist program...
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On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Huw Davies <huw.davies at mail.vsm.com.au>wrote:
On 07/06/2013, at 10:14 AM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
As far as I'm concerned VMS died when they fired the developers and
moved
support to India.
Which was a very sad day as I have many friends from ZKO.
Today was a day we all knew were coming and all had hoped that it was a
long time in the future. I've been very fortunate that after leaving HP I
am now managing a complex, mission critical OpenVMS environment again which
has been a real buzz and it looks like I'll have a career bookended by
OpenVMS - starting on a VAX-11/780 over 30 years ago?
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies at kerberos.davies.net.au
Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the
Australia | air, the sky would be painted green"
8 Jun
8 Jun
9:57 a.m.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2013, John Willis wrote:
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Who on this planet still thinks this has any valid meaning at all? Good
grief.
g.
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10:18 a.m.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, geneb wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2013, John Willis wrote:
No idea. I didn't even know about this act...I think I should have.
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Who on this planet still thinks this has any valid meaning at all? Good
grief.
g.
--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
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A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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10:41 a.m.
New subject: Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS
>> THIS MESSAGE IS PROTECTED BY THE ELECTRONIC
COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY ACT, 18
>> U.S.C. ?? 2510 ET SEQ. THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL OR
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
No idea. I didn't even know about this act...I
think I should have.
Why?
Legal citations in email signatures are not likely to have any voracity.
I still get spam that has a disclaimer at the end asserting that, based on
some non-existent congressional act, it "can not legally be considered
spam" because it has a link in it that purports to remove you from the
mailing list. (more likely appends you to a "validated" list)
--
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_---_ | speak for me. All of my personalities and the spirits
/[@ @]\ | that I channel deny all knowledge of my activities.
oOO--(_)--OOo | In fact, they hate my guts. (except with garlic & butter)
``` ''' | For NSA or law enforcment officials monitoring the net:
pressure cooker, drone, cia, tea-party, dea, flight school, hacker,
homeland security, Wikileaks, nsa, IRS, sex, drugs, and rock'nroll.
10:51 a.m.
New subject: Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
--
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Why?
Legal citations in email signatures are not likely to have any voracity.
True.
--
g at xenosoft.com Disclaimer: I speak for nobody else, and I can't even
_---_ | speak for me. All of my personalities and the spirits
/[@ @]\ | that I channel deny all knowledge of my activities.
oOO--(_)--OOo | In fact, they hate my guts. (except with garlic & butter)
``` ''' | For NSA or law enforcment officials monitoring the net:
pressure cooker, drone, cia, tea-party, dea, flight school, hacker,
homeland security, Wikileaks, nsa, IRS, sex, drugs, and rock'nroll.
You forgot "socialism" "communism" "muslim"
"anarchy" "freedom" "thought"
and "mind control".
11 a.m.
New subject: Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS
> --
> g at xenosoft.com Disclaimer: I speak for nobody else, and I can't even
> _---_ | speak for me. All of my personalities and the spirits
> /[@ @]\ | that I channel deny all knowledge of my activities.
> oOO--(_)--OOo | In fact, they hate my guts. (except with garlic & butter)
> ``` ''' | For NSA or law enforcment officials monitoring the
net:
> pressure cooker, drone, cia, tea-party, dea, flight school, hacker,
> homeland security, Wikileaks, nsa, IRS, sex, drugs, and rock'nroll.
On
Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
You forgot "socialism" "communism"
"muslim" "anarchy" "freedom" "thought"
and "mind control".
lasers
FOIA
DRM
RSA
Deep Crack
EFF
lithium batteries
exploits
COMPUTER PROGRAMMING
If sex, drugs, and rock and roll are not the answer, . . .
then you are asking the wrong questions.
11:55 a.m.
New subject: Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS
On 6/8/2013 11:00 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
BENGHAZI!!1!!
Chemtrails
Occupy
Ricin
Illuminati
Reptoid
Al Gore
> nd
security, Wikileaks, nsa, IRS, sex, drugs, and rock'nroll.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013,
Cory Smelosky wrote:
You forgot "socialism"
"communism" "muslim" "anarchy" "freedom"
"thought"
and "mind control".
lasers
FOIA
DRM
RSA
Deep Crack
EFF
lithium batteries
exploits
COMPUTER PROGRAMMING
If sex, drugs, and rock and roll are not the answer, . . .
then you are asking the wrong questions.
4:10 p.m.
New subject: Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
You also forgot Majestic 12, The Illuminati and J.R. "Bob" Dobbs.
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
You forgot "socialism"
"communism" "muslim" "anarchy" "freedom"
"thought"
and "mind control".
lasers
FOIA
DRM
RSA
Deep Crack
EFF
lithium batteries
exploits
COMPUTER PROGRAMMING
4:27 p.m.
New subject: Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS
>> You forgot "socialism"
"communism" "muslim" "anarchy" "freedom"
"thought"
>> and "mind control".
> lasers
> FOIA
> DRM
> RSA
> Deep Crack
> EFF
> lithium batteries
> exploits
> COMPUTER PROGRAMMING
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, geneb wrote:
You also forgot Majestic 12, The Illuminati and J.R.
"Bob" Dobbs.
Julian Assange
Ted Nelson
RICHARD STALLMAN
4:34 p.m.
New subject: Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
Overseas Bank Account
Tax-dodging strategies
Imports
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
>> You forgot "socialism"
"communism" "muslim" "anarchy" "freedom"
"thought"
>> and "mind control".
> lasers
> FOIA
> DRM
> RSA
> Deep Crack
> EFF
> lithium batteries
> exploits
> COMPUTER PROGRAMMING
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, geneb wrote:
You also forgot Majestic 12, The Illuminati and
J.R. "Bob" Dobbs.
Julian Assange
Ted Nelson
RICHARD STALLMAN
4:09 p.m.
New subject: Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
homeland security, Wikileaks, nsa, IRS, sex, drugs,
and rock'nroll.
Missed a space! :)
g.
--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
10:47 a.m.
Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, geneb wrote:
Huh, I'm not interested in any US Laws at all. If they would give me some
money, I would possibly delete that stuff and inform them..if not ...?
Regards from Germany,
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On Fri, 7 Jun 2013, John Willis wrote:
No idea. I didn't even know about this act...I think I should have.
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(575)
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Who on this planet still thinks this has any valid meaning at all? Good
grief. 
7 Jun
7 Jun
2:04 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I am still looking for a "horse's
mouth" reference, but it seems HP has
just given the VMS community the finger.
I think this is it:
http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=13/06/06/2422149
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