20 Jun
1997
20 Jun
'97
6:11 p.m.
What's wrong with this (virtual) "group" ???
Of all the collecting groups I belong to, this is the only one where my
(and I suppose other's) public (and private) requests for help have been
ignored and (worse) I suspect even opposed.
Is there something I don't know? If this the case I would like to know.
Thank you.
Also your caper to insist on having ALL the items in the collection in
working condition is, in my opinion, unique to this group. I can
understand (and share) the motivation but surely we (I?) collect for the
design point of view and for the historical importance. Don't we? Or am
I in the wrong group anyway?
Sorry for the frankness but I thought I'd get this one out of my chest
before it gets even worse (I am still owed at least 5 replies to my
messages) in that I will be banned from this mailing list. Hope not.
What is your problem?
Hoping to have a straight answer
I am
Yours sincerely
enrico
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20 Jun
20 Jun
5:59 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, e.tedeschi wrote:
What's wrong with this (virtual) "group"
???
Uh, nothing.
Of all the collecting groups I belong to, this is the
only one where my
(and I suppose other's) public (and private) requests for help have been
ignored and (worse) I suspect even opposed.
Enrico, I sincerely think you concerns are self-conceived. In other
words, I don't think your requests have been ignored or opposed. If you
feel ignored, it is probably because nobody has an answer for your
question. I know how you feel. I get the same way sometimes and I know
how frustrating it can be. However, I think this is the only discussion
group I know of where I can ALWAYS get an answer for my questions
relating to classic computers. Hands down, there is no better resource.
As far as being opposed, any such messages you may have read opposing
your requests were probably taken the wrong way, and the author perhaps
intended it to be funny and not an insult to you.
Is there something I don't know? If this the case
I would like to know.
Thank you.
We're all as lost as you are.
Also your caper to insist on having ALL the items in
the collection in
working condition is, in my opinion, unique to this group. I can
understand (and share) the motivation but surely we (I?) collect for the
design point of view and for the historical importance. Don't we? Or am
I in the wrong group anyway?
While it is definitely nicer to have a working system, I'll take the
broken ones too, but only if it is something truly rare. I have been
lucky in that about 96% of everything I have ever gotten has worked. The
fun in collecting is restoring the systems to working condition if they
are broken. Its always nicer to have a piece of history that still
operates the way it did 10 or 20 years ago. And it's always nicer to be
able to actually boot-up an old system and play with it, rather than look
at it.
Sorry for the frankness but I thought I'd get this
one out of my chest
before it gets even worse (I am still owed at least 5 replies to my
messages) in that I will be banned from this mailing list. Hope not.
No such thing, Enrico. We like you. Stick around. One of us ignorant
fools will have an answer to one of your questions one of these days. :)
Sam
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7:34 p.m.
e.tedeschi wrote:
What's wrong with this (virtual) "group" ???
Of all the collecting groups I belong to, this is the only one where my
(and I suppose other's) public (and private) requests for help have been
ignored and (worse) I suspect even opposed.
Is there something I don't know? If this the case I would like to know.
Thank you.
I have found that generally speaking, this group tends to share its
knowledge. A lack of responses to questions generally means (at least
in my experience here and elsewhere) that nobody has anything useful to
contribute to the answer. Perhaps I have missed something, but where
would you get the idea that requests for help might be opposed? I have
learned a great deal here, and at least so far, feel that I have
received far more help than I have been able to provide.
Also your caper to insist on having ALL the items in
the collection in
working condition is, in my opinion, unique to this group. I can
understand (and share) the motivation but surely we (I?) collect for the
design point of view and for the historical importance. Don't we? Or am
I in the wrong group anyway?
I only wish that everything I have worked! However a lack of
documentation and schematics in some cases make it very difficult to
check out if something is working, let alone fix a problem. I think
most of what I have works, but again, not everything. Where did the
idea that there is an insistance on having "ALL the items in the
collection in working condition"? I have only been here a few weeks but
have found no indication of such an attitude.
Sorry for the frankness but I thought I'd get this
one out of my chest
before it gets even worse (I am still owed at least 5 replies to my
messages) in that I will be banned from this mailing list. Hope not.
What is your problem?
Hoping to have a straight answer
In almost all cases, I find it MUCH better to ask about something
perceived as a problem rather than let it simmer and finally boil out of
control. I am rather curious as to where, or perhaps how, your reaction
developed. Banned from a list? I would sure hope not as I haven't even
seen a hint of justification for that action.
10:37 p.m.
Marvin wrote:
Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong) feeling that:
a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
about collecting.
b) You are against collectors who want ot take out bits and pieces from
the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and therefore "different")
collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
Of course I have no proof of the above but from the short experience I
had here, I think that the problem exhists as opposed to the "openess"
of other American collecting groups like, for example, the radio
collecting community which has been VERY helpful with me and other
"foreigners" to buy and export stuff from the USA and CANADA (what about
the stuff you ARE importing from overseas then?).
I think that if you think I am wrong the best way to demonstrate it, if
you care, is not with words but with facts.
Thank you for your interest
enrico
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Sorry for the frankness but I thought I'd get
this one out of my chest
before it gets even worse (I am still owed at least 5 replies to my
messages) in that I will be banned from this mailing list. Hope not.
What is your problem?
Hoping to have a straight answer
In almost all cases, I find it MUCH better to ask about something
perceived as a problem rather than let it simmer and finally boil out of
control. I am rather curious as to where, or perhaps how, your reaction
developed. Banned from a list? I would sure hope not as I haven't even
seen a hint of justification for that action. 
2:32 p.m.
On 21-Jun-97, e.tedeschi wrote:
c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and
therefore "different")
collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
I think in this case, the thing that chases people away is the sheer cost
of shipping these items overseas. Most of it is fairly heavy, and in my
experiece of shipping just within in U.S., can be quite costly to ship just
about anywhere. At one point I was working on a deal with a gentleman in
Australia to get a C-16 with a a lot of original cassette software from him,
but he eventually backed out because of the shipping cost, and this was with a
very small system. Unless it was quite a rare system, or something you wanted
quite badly, it wouldn't likely be worth the total cost, even if it didn't
cost anything to actually purchase the item. I myself wouldn't mind adding
some of the foreign systems to my collection, but don't for the reasons above.
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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21 Jun
4:50 a.m.
Jeff Hellige wrote:
On 21-Jun-97, e.tedeschi wrote:
This can't be true as the cost of carriage is always beared by the
recipient (in this case me). Also I found that if you don't want the
stuff quickly (read airmail) it can be surprising reasonable.
enrico
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c) You are against helping "foreigners"
(and therefore "different")
collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
I think in this case, the thing that chases people away is the sheer cost
of shipping these items overseas. Most of it is fairly heavy, and in my
experiece of shipping just within in U.S., can be quite costly to ship just
about anywhere. At one point I was working on a deal with a gentleman in
Australia to get a C-16 with a a lot of original cassette software from him,
but he eventually backed out because of the shipping cost, and this was with a
very small system. Unless it was quite a rare system, or something you wanted
quite badly, it wouldn't likely be worth the total cost, even if it didn't
cost anything to actually purchase the item. I myself wouldn't mind adding
some of the foreign systems to my collection, but don't for the reasons above.
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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8:48 a.m.
e.tedeschi wrote:
This can't be true as the cost of carriage is
always beared by the
recipient (in this case me). Also I found that if you don't want the
stuff quickly (read airmail) it can be surprising reasonable.
Enrico,
True, but it is still a hassle to ship internationally, and it is a lot
harder to recoup anything if there is a problem, even if shipping to
Canada from the U.S. Also, as a long time user of Usenet, I've noticed
that it isn't only those on this side of the Atlantic who don't care to
ship overseas...many a for-sale post from Europe states that they wish
to ship only within the same general area. Take the post that was just
forwarded into this group about the C-65 for sale.
As many people can vouch, I for one routinely send stuff to people for
just the cost of shipping, and that includes friends overseas. For the
most part though, I have had few things I've put up for grabs that I've
wanted to get rid of that anyone that anyone outside of the U.S. has
thought worth the money and effort to make a deal on.
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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7:56 a.m.
On 21-Jun-97, e.tedeschi wrote:
c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and
therefore "different")
collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
I'm probably guilty of ignoring "foreign requests" for equipment
because of my perception of the VERY high costs involved. I have a
friend who was contacted by a gentleman from the Netherlands
regarding a TI-99/4A system my friend was willing to sell. The deal
fell through because shipping would be >$200! If you want something I
have, I'd be happy to sell it to you but for two problems: cost and I
don't have much worthwhile.
_______________
Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com
Husband to Diane, Father to Doug,
Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.
12:37 a.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, e.tedeschi wrote:
Marvin wrote:
> e.tedeschi wrote:
> > Sorry for the frankness but I thought I'd get this one out of my chest
> > before it gets even worse (I am still owed at least 5 replies to my
> > messages) in that I will be banned from this mailing list. Hope not.
> >
> > What is your problem?
> >
> > Hoping to have a straight answer
>
> In almost all cases, I find it MUCH better to ask about something
> perceived as a problem rather than let it simmer and finally boil out of
> control. I am rather curious as to where, or perhaps how, your reaction
> developed. Banned from a list? I would sure hope not as I haven't even
> seen a hint of justification for that action.
Now that I have read some responses......
Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong) feeling that:
a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
about collecting.
I am sure nobody MEANT what was said. There will ALWAYS be two sides.
b) You are against collectors who want ot take out
bits and pieces from
the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
This is not a group problem - this is a person-to-person problem.
c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and
therefore "different")
collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
Well, one way to do it is tell us who! I don't see anything wrong with
trying to contact someone on the list via the list if email fails. The
number of possible *holes* that email can fall into are more numerous
than providers would like to admit. You never know - there might be
someone on the list who knows the person and can fill you in to other
important info - he when on holiday, he died - oh, all sorts of things
can happen 8-)
Of course I have no proof of the above but from the
short experience I
had here, I think that the problem exhists as opposed to the "openess"
of other American collecting groups like, for example, the radio
collecting community which has been VERY helpful with me and other
"foreigners" to buy and export stuff from the USA and CANADA (what about
the stuff you ARE importing from overseas then?).
Well, I don't know what it would cost to ship to England. I don't think
it is a "foreigners" thing - just cost and hassle. You could have one of
your radio friends get the part and ship it to you. That would satisfy
both parties.
I think that if you think I am wrong the best way to
demonstrate it, if
you care, is not with words but with facts.
I noticed that you used "foreigner" a lot. I would assume this was
impressed upon you from some private email as I have never, to my
recollection, seen it used in this group. You might want to expand
the explaination - either here in public or in private email.
BC
3:53 a.m.
e.tedeschi wrote:
Marvin wrote:
I must have missed that post where you indicated you were ridiculed. As
I said in my earlier post, not *everything* in the collection works but
I do try to have as much as possible working. Working is not my
criteria for saving machines as I have seen VERY little that cannot be
repaired. As most of us have said, we collect to save stuff from going
to the dump.
In almost all cases, I find it MUCH better to ask about something
perceived as a problem rather than let it simmer and finally boil out of
control. I am rather curious as to where, or perhaps how, your reaction
developed. Banned from a list? I would sure hope not as I haven't even
seen a hint of justification for that action.
Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong) feeling that:
a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
about collecting.
b) You are against collectors who want ot take out
bits and pieces from
the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
I gather you are talking about the 8008 and/or the 4004
microprocessors? I guess that is a matter of individual attitude. Just
because an item is not complete, it wouldn't slow me down if I wanted to
exhibit it. I take parts from different stuff all the time although I
would much prefer to obtain the new parts if possible.
c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and
therefore "different")
collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
I haven't seen this except for some concern about the costs involved.
As far as getting British computers, I would love to do that and don't
mind trading. However my reluctance comes only from not having any idea
of the cost involved.
Of course I have no proof of the above but from the
short experience I
had here, I think that the problem exhists as opposed to the "openess"
of other American collecting groups like, for example, the radio
collecting community which has been VERY helpful with me and other
"foreigners" to buy and export stuff from the USA and CANADA (what about
the stuff you ARE importing from overseas then?).
Also, I think you are being a bit broad with your use of the word
"you." There are flaky people in every activity I have ever seen, and I
doubt that this one is any different.
6:49 a.m.
Marvin wrote:
I haven't seen this except for some concern about
the costs involved.
As far as getting British computers, I would love to do that and don't
mind trading. However my reluctance comes only from not having any idea
of the cost involved.
If you are not in a hurry SURFACE MAIL is surprisingly cheap (but it
will take about two months)
Also, I think you are being a bit broad with your use
of the word
"you." There are flaky people in every activity I have ever seen, and I
doubt that this one is any different.
You are right there. I am sorry but I did not mean any offence. I should
have added that I was generalizing BUT I had the impression that this
group a more than a fair share of them...and whats more they might have
all the rights to be "conservative" with your heritage. However then
they should not complain when something similar happens to them. Agreed?
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5 a.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, e.tedeschi wrote:
Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong)
feeling that:
a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
about collecting.
b) You are against collectors who want ot take out bits and pieces from
the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
Enrico, who is "you" that you are referring to? You can't possibly mean
the group collective, since we each think for ourselves. If you feel you
have been slighted by some of us, why not send us personal e-mail so we
can work it out without having to involve everyone.
c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and
therefore "different")
collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
Enrico, you are WAY out of line here. This is entirely a self-conceived
paranoid notion. There are many "foreigners" in this discussion group.
Everyone is treated equally with respect. If you feel you are being
singled out for criticism then you are mistaken.
I think that if you think I am wrong the best way to
demonstrate it, if
you care, is not with words but with facts.
I think you just need to drop this and get on with the discussion. I
hope you won't take this the wrong way, but this is really leading no
where. I think you should let yourself cool off and bit and then ask the
questions you want answered again. Sometimes your messages get lost in
all the clutter. Perhaps someone will have an answer for you the second
time around.
Sam
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22 Jun
22 Jun
12:37 p.m.
Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong)
feeling that:
a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
about collecting.
I am not against any collectors. The fact that different people have
different views on how to collect classic computers is to be expected
IMHO.
You mentioned in a previous message that you collected for 'historical
importance and design' (or words to that effect). Now, to look at the
design properly _requires_ that the machine is working IMHO. Otherwise you
may as well just collect the schematics and technical manuals - although I
have a large-ish collection of those (11 bookcases + a filing cabinet + a
few piles), I'd not claim they were as nice as the machines they go with.
But a non-working machine and its schematic give you essentially the same
information.
b) You are against collectors who want ot take out bits and pieces from
the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
Hmmm... Well, I _am_ 'against' people who strip rare machines for their
parts. But I have no objections to dismantling (reversably) a classic
computer - when I demonstrate one of my machines I _always_ open the cover
and pull boards. At the HPCC conference last year I demonstrated my 9100B,
and then flipped the cover, pulled out the timing, flip-flop and core
boards, removed the keyboard and card reader and flipped over the main
control store assembly. I then passed the bits round the audience. Yes, it
did work afterwards!
So, if you to exhibit a machine and one of its PCBs separately, go ahead.
But I'd be happier if I knew it could all go back together again sometime.
c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and therefore "different")
collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
Eh? last time I checked this was an international list. I've never found
_any_ anti-a-particular-country messages here, and never want to do so.
But classic computers _are_ difficult to ship. They're heavy, delicate,
and impossible to replace. Insurance is no use at all, and shipping
companies are not that careful. I know plenty of people in the States who
I'd quite happily allow to use machines in my collection (they'd know how
to care for them, etc), but I'd never ship the machines to them, simply
because I could not be sure they'd not get lost or damaged in shipping.
Thank you for your interest
enrico
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The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill
21 Jun
21 Jun
12:22 a.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, e.tedeschi wrote:
What's wrong with this (virtual) "group"
???
Of all the collecting groups I belong to, this is the only one where my
(and I suppose other's) public (and private) requests for help have been
ignored and (worse) I suspect even opposed.
I am speechless. I personally invited you Enrico after your email to me
from the Classic Computer Encyclopedia Web Page. If you
have been
opposed, it must have been in private email as I read just about
everything posted on the group.
Is there something I don't know? If this the case
I would like to know.
Thank you.
Where would I start! 8-)
Also your caper to insist on having ALL the items in
the collection in
working condition is, in my opinion, unique to this group. I can
understand (and share) the motivation but surely we (I?) collect for the
design point of view and for the historical importance. Don't we? Or am
I in the wrong group anyway?
I think MOST of us here would PREFER to have working systems but then
even some of mine don't work ALL the time. You can go ahead and collect
ANYTHING you want. Each of us collect for different reasons. I like,
I guess the word would be systems. I like whole working systems. I start
with something less but then keep building it up until it is a system.
If you are more interested in the DESIGN side, I guess it doesn't matter
if it works or not. But in MY mind, if it still doesn't work - something
was wrong WITH the design 8-) If you want to disassemble units for show
- go ahead!
Sorry for the frankness but I thought I'd get this
one out of my chest
before it gets even worse (I am still owed at least 5 replies to my
messages) in that I will be banned from this mailing list. Hope not.
Huh? How do you get banned from this list? Who owes you replies?
What is your problem?
Ditto, my friend.
Hoping to have a straight answer
Well, if I could understand the question, it might help.
BC
4:53 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997 06:11:36 +0000, you wrote:
%What's wrong with this (virtual) "group" ???
%
%Of all the collecting groups I belong to, this is the only one where
my
%(and I suppose other's) public (and private) requests for help have
been
%ignored and (worse) I suspect even opposed.
It's a feature of newsgroups in general, and I suspect, also
mailing-lists.
In a mailing-list like this one, there're so many messages in one day
that it's hard to keep track of them and to reply.
Ben
7:35 p.m.
Benedict Chong wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997 06:11:36 +0000, you wrote:
%What's wrong with this (virtual) "group" ???
%
%Of all the collecting groups I belong to, this is the only one where
my
%(and I suppose other's) public (and private) requests for help have
been
%ignored and (worse) I suspect even opposed.
It's a feature of newsgroups in general, and I suspect, also
mailing-lists.
In a mailing-list like this one, there're so many messages in one day
that it's hard to keep track of them and to reply.
Ben
Now THAT is a sensible, informative answer. Thank you Ben.
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22 Jun
22 Jun
12:26 p.m.
What's wrong with this (virtual) "group" ???
Of all the collecting groups I belong to, this is the only one where my
(and I suppose other's) public (and private) requests for help have been
ignored and (worse) I suspect even opposed.
I'll admit to ignoring requests for help - if I either don't know the
answer, or if I have good reason to believe that somebody else will answer
it more completely than I ever could. I don't (for example) respond to
posts about the Apple ][ very often - I didn't grow up with them, and
don't know that much about them. There are plenty of people here who could
give a lot more information on those machines.
But try asking about one of my favourite machines and you'll get all sorts
of info sent back.
I suspect most other people here act the same way. I, too, have received
no replies to some of my messages, but I've simply taken that to mean that
nobody knows the answer, and not anything personal.
Is there something I don't know? If this the case I would like to know.
Thank you.
Also your caper to insist on having ALL the items in the collection in
working condition is, in my opinion, unique to this group. I can
Well, I prefer my machines to work - that's what they were designed to do,
and that's what they should still do. But if you're implying that I don't
want any non-working stuff, then that's 100% false. I have several tens of
machines that need repair at this moment. One day I'll get round to
fixing them (I enjoy repairing classic computers!), but until then I'll
keep them as they are. And even machines beyond repair (prototypes with a
dead custom chip :-)) are still worth collecting.
enrico
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-tony
ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk
The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill
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