Before I reboot this frickin' machine *again* and try to reply to digest 618 about Lisas and mail readers and such I'd just like to ask the panel what they think about being able to leave a pretty standard machine switched on for *3 days* and watch micro$oft stuff fail time and time again while Macromedia apps keep working.... Completely bloody off topic, I'll admit, but a right pain in the arse too. cheers adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1