3 Apr
2002
3 Apr
'02
5:56 p.m.
To go back to the hammer for a moment, if I go out and
buy a hammer and
bash somebody's head in with it, then I am guilty of murder. The company
that made the hammer, and the shop that sold it to me, are not. And
that's how it should be.
Scary thing is... here in the US, it doesn't seem to work that logically.
People have been sueing gun manufacturers off and on because they made
the gun that was used to kill someone.
I don't know if anyone has WON a suit, but I do know the suits have been
filed (and win or loose, you are costing the gun maker needless legal
troubles).
Sueing people has become so much the norm here... that the government has
had to step in and offer insurance backing for the companies cleaning up
the world trade center... because the companies know ALREADY that there
will be lawsuits when they are done, and without insurance, they know
they will be sued into bankruptcy. AND, since it is such a known fact
that they will be sued... no insurance company was willing to insure
them, which meant they weren't willing to do the work... so the
government had to step in and offer backing.
F-ing scary!
Remember, this is the country that awarded 3 million dollars to a lady
because she put her hot coffee in her lap, and then spilled it... and was
able to sue McDonalds because the coffee was too hot and it burned her
(yes, there is more to that story, but the fact that she was even able to
get to trial is just f-ed up... where is the personal responsibility in
this country?!?)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
4 Apr
4 Apr
5:40 a.m.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Chris wrote:
The trial lawyers, in cahoots with their cohorts in the Congress, have
pretty well eliminated it with the `deep pocket' approach in lawsuits,
and class action suits that are `opt out' rather than `opt in' as they
ought to be. It is all part of a very successful program - to make
lawyers rich(er) - at the expense of everyone else.
- don
To go back to
the hammer for a moment, if I go out and buy a hammer and
bash somebody's head in with it, then I am guilty of murder. The company
that made the hammer, and the shop that sold it to me, are not. And
that's how it should be.
Scary thing is... here in the US, it doesn't seem to work that logically.
People have been sueing gun manufacturers off and on because they made
the gun that was used to kill someone.
I don't know if anyone has WON a suit, but I do know the suits have been
filed (and win or loose, you are costing the gun maker needless legal
troubles).
Sueing people has become so much the norm here... that the government has
had to step in and offer insurance backing for the companies cleaning up
the world trade center... because the companies know ALREADY that there
will be lawsuits when they are done, and without insurance, they know
they will be sued into bankruptcy. AND, since it is such a known fact
that they will be sued... no insurance company was willing to insure
them, which meant they weren't willing to do the work... so the
government had to step in and offer backing.
F-ing scary!
Remember, this is the country that awarded 3 million dollars to a lady
because she put her hot coffee in her lap, and then spilled it... and was
able to sue McDonalds because the coffee was too hot and it burned her
(yes, there is more to that story, but the fact that she was even able to
get to trial is just f-ed up... where is the personal responsibility in
this country?!?)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net> 
8:26 a.m.
Without getting into the trial-lawyers thing, I'd say the issue is in how the
gun makers promote, distribute, and sell their wares, rather than any other
single issue. The point is that, for one example, the gun makers send enough
guns into the metro Chicago area, where gun ownership is restricted, to equip
every adult in the entire metro area with at least one handgun, yet they never
seem to run out. It's wonderful for their sales, but the Chicago authorities
have gone on record as opposing the practice. Some effort to behave
reasonably, as opposed to making lots of assumptions based on gross violations
of local laws, would probably be appreciated by the Chicago area authorities.
I don't know that trying to make this a supply-side thing is any smarter than
the same effort with respect to drugs. If having a gun on your person when
apprehended in the commission of a crime were, in itself, more likely to get
you a life-standing-on-your-head-in-a-16"-deep-pool-of-goat-feces-sentence
than the crime itself, perhaps people would behave differently. I don't see
why the GOV thinks that they should make the gun makers enforce the law. It's
worth a try, though.
Dick
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From: "Don Maslin" <donm(a)cts.com>
To: "Classic Computers" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: The Future End of Classic Computing
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Chris wrote:
The trial lawyers, in cahoots with their cohorts in the Congress, have
pretty well eliminated it with the `deep pocket' approach in lawsuits,
and class action suits that are `opt out' rather than `opt in' as they
ought to be. It is all part of a very successful program - to make
lawyers rich(er) - at the expense of everyone else.
- don
To go back
to the hammer for a moment, if I go out and buy a hammer and
bash somebody's head in with it, then I am guilty of murder. The company
that made the hammer, and the shop that sold it to me, are not. And
that's how it should be.
Scary thing is... here in the US, it doesn't seem to work that logically.
People have been sueing gun manufacturers off and on because they made
the gun that was used to kill someone.
I don't know if anyone has WON a suit, but I do know the suits have been
filed (and win or loose, you are costing the gun maker needless legal
troubles).
Sueing people has become so much the norm here... that the government has
had to step in and offer insurance backing for the companies cleaning up
the world trade center... because the companies know ALREADY that there
will be lawsuits when they are done, and without insurance, they know
they will be sued into bankruptcy. AND, since it is such a known fact
that they will be sued... no insurance company was willing to insure
them, which meant they weren't willing to do the work... so the
government had to step in and offer backing.
F-ing scary!
Remember, this is the country that awarded 3 million dollars to a lady
because she put her hot coffee in her lap, and then spilled it... and was
able to sue McDonalds because the coffee was too hot and it burned her
(yes, there is more to that story, but the fact that she was even able to
get to trial is just f-ed up... where is the personal responsibility in
this country?!?)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net> 
9:02 a.m.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
I don't know that trying to make this a
supply-side thing is any smarter than
the same effort with respect to drugs. If having a gun on your person when
apprehended in the commission of a crime were, in itself, more likely to get
you a life-standing-on-your-head-in-a-16"-deep-pool-of-goat-feces-sentence
than the crime itself, perhaps people would behave differently. I don't see
why the GOV thinks that they should make the gun makers enforce the law. It's
worth a try, though.
I don't know where you'd find references, but try looking at the use
of sawed-off shotguns in robberies in the US. They're incredibly
effective as intimidators, and were very popular in the 'teens and '20s.
Federal laws were passed mandating atrocious jail time for use of
sawed-offs in crimes, ***those laws were agressively enforced***, and
shotguns almost disappeared as the gangster's choice.
Doc
10 Apr
10 Apr
1:44 a.m.
New subject: Very Old Texas Instruments IC's
Hello,
I've come across some old TI IC's that I'm hoping someone out there can
shed some light on.
The date codes on the chips place them in late '67 to early '68.
The part numbers are:
SN1286
SN1287
SN1288
They are in 24-pin dual-inline plastic packages. The pin spacing 0.10
inch
between pins, and 0.50 inch between the rows of pins.
These three chips are on a board that is populated with SSI DTL & early
TTL devices
in the SN15xxx and SN58xx DTL families, and SN74xx (only SN7474) TTL
devices.
All of the SSI stuff has date codes ranging from 6742 (week 42 '67) to
6804
(week 4 '68).
Can anyone out there shed any light on these old devices?
Yes...the board with these chips on them is from an old Singer/Friden
calculator.
Thanks,
Rick Bensene
The Old Calculator Web Museum
http://www.geocities.com/oldcalculators
5:22 a.m.
New subject: Very Old Texas Instruments IC's
Rick,
SOMEWHERE I have an old TI IC catalog from around that time period. I'll try and
find it and look them up.
Joe
At 06:44 AM 4/10/02 -0700, you wrote:
Hello,
I've come across some old TI IC's that I'm hoping someone out there can
shed some light on.
The date codes on the chips place them in late '67 to early '68.
The part numbers are:
SN1286
SN1287
SN1288
They are in 24-pin dual-inline plastic packages. The pin spacing 0.10
inch
between pins, and 0.50 inch between the rows of pins.
These three chips are on a board that is populated with SSI DTL & early
TTL devices
in the SN15xxx and SN58xx DTL families, and SN74xx (only SN7474) TTL
devices.
All of the SSI stuff has date codes ranging from 6742 (week 42 '67) to
6804
(week 4 '68).
Can anyone out there shed any light on these old devices?
Yes...the board with these chips on them is from an old Singer/Friden
calculator.
Thanks,
Rick Bensene
The Old Calculator Web Museum
http://www.geocities.com/oldcalculators
6:36 a.m.
New subject: Very Old Texas Instruments IC's
Joe wrote:
Rick,
SOMEWHERE I have an old TI IC catalog from around that time period. I'll try and
find it and look them up.
Joe
Mine don't go back that far and a quick scan didn't reveal anything. Nor
did xrefs in other mfrs. catalogs. I hate spending money for books
instead of hardware, but it's time to add to the library, I think.
jbdigriz
3 Jun
3 Jun
7:54 p.m.
To go back to
the hammer for a moment, if I go out and buy a hammer and
bash somebody's head in with it, then I am guilty of murder. The company
that made the hammer, and the shop that sold it to me, are not. And
that's how it should be.
Scary thing is... here in the US, it doesn't seem to work that logically.
People have been sueing gun manufacturers off and on because they made
the gun that was used to kill someone.
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