19 Jun
1997
19 Jun
'97
6:29 a.m.
At 05:10 PM 6/19/97 BST, you wrote:
I really don't see the interest in emulators if the
real hardware still
exists. I'd much rather have the real thing, and have all the fun of
maintaining it, than have a piece of software (probably without source)
running on a PC that I can't get spare chips for. Perhaps it's because I'm
a hardware hacker, but emulators seem to lack so much compared to the
phyusical machine.
Perhaps it's because you have a bigger apartment? I know a lot of folks
running ST emulators on PC's because they wanted both, but didn't have the
room...
"lack so much compared to the physical machine..." yeah, 2nd ps, 2nd
keyboard, 2nd monitor... 8^)
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19 Jun
19 Jun
6:40 a.m.
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
At 05:10 PM 6/19/97 BST, you wrote:
I like my real PDP better than the emulated one. The real one has one
feature that E11, and Supnik 2.2, and all the rest can NEVER have that
annoys my family to no end - THE EAR-SPLITTING NOISE! :) It drives them
Nuts, and I can't get enough of it! There's nothing like powering up the
11/23 and hearing that "Bwaaaaa!" as it all spins up - then it becomes a
gentle roar (I don't have a rack or case of it, so it sits out on a
table). Everyone leaves, and I'm free to hack alone. Not to mention the
emotional satisfaction that you own a piece of history - No matter how big
or inefficient the piece! Which was the primary reason I went out of my
way to get one. And the reason I kept my CoCo, and my C64.
I really don't see the interest in emulators
if the real hardware still
exists. I'd much rather have the real thing, and have all the fun of
maintaining it, than have a piece of software (probably without source)
running on a PC that I can't get spare chips for. Perhaps it's because I'm
a hardware hacker, but emulators seem to lack so much compared to the
phyusical machine.
Perhaps it's because you have a bigger apartment? I know a lot of folks
running ST emulators on PC's because they wanted both, but didn't have the
room...
"lack so much compared to the physical machine..." yeah, 2nd ps, 2nd
keyboard, 2nd monitor... 8^) 
12:52 p.m.
I like my real PDP better than the emulated one. The real one has one
feature that E11, and Supnik 2.2, and all the rest can NEVER have that
annoys my family to no end - THE EAR-SPLITTING NOISE! :) It drives them
Nuts, and I can't get enough of it! There's nothing like powering up the
11/23 and hearing that "Bwaaaaa!" as it all spins up - then it becomes a
Hmmm... Try an 11/45 + 2 expansion boxes + 8 demountable drives + PERQ1 as
a terminal for an ear-splitting noise. There must be at least 30 fans in
that system, probably more :-)
And then there's the waste heat. A few years ago we had a 'heat wave'. The
temperatures were well above the maximum specified in the DEC manuals. The
11/45 carried on running as if nothing was wrong, but alas I didn't....
--
-tony
ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk
The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill
12:59 p.m.
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, A.R. Duell wrote:
> I like my real PDP better than the emulated one.
The real one has one
> feature that E11, and Supnik 2.2, and all the rest can NEVER have that
> annoys my family to no end - THE EAR-SPLITTING NOISE! :) It drives them
> Nuts, and I can't get enough of it! There's nothing like powering up the
> 11/23 and hearing that "Bwaaaaa!" as it all spins up - then it becomes a
First - glad you could make it Dan!
Hmmm... Try an 11/45 + 2 expansion boxes + 8
demountable drives + PERQ1 as
a terminal for an ear-splitting noise. There must be at least 30 fans in
that system, probably more :-)
And then there's the waste heat. A few years ago we had a 'heat wave'. The
temperatures were well above the maximum specified in the DEC manuals. The
11/45 carried on running as if nothing was wrong, but alas I didn't....
Second - I love the noise! It sounds like a jet engine warming up - only
it takes longer 8-)
Also - What waste heat???? I run my 11/23 to keep the basement warm and
toasty. And now with my second, I can probably do away with the furnace
this winter 8-)
And they are underrated for the temperature spec - but wait until one
goes - It's sad see 8-( as most of the chips seem to go all at once.
BC
12:36 p.m.
At 05:10 PM 6/19/97 BST, you wrote:
Oh, come on, an ST is _tiny_ compared to the sort of machines I run. I'd
have no problem fitting another one into my 'machine room'. Now, if
somebody offered me a PDP12, I'd start having problems..
I really don't see the interest in emulators
if the real hardware still
exists. I'd much rather have the real thing, and have all the fun of
maintaining it, than have a piece of software (probably without source)
running on a PC that I can't get spare chips for. Perhaps it's because I'm
a hardware hacker, but emulators seem to lack so much compared to the
phyusical machine.
Perhaps it's because you have a bigger apartment? I know a lot of folks
running ST emulators on PC's because they wanted both, but didn't have the
room...
"lack so much compared to the physical machine..." yeah, 2nd ps, 2nd
keyboard, 2nd monitor... 8^)
The monitor is no real problem. As I mentioned here a month back, there's
only about 2 or 3 monitors you need for almost all classic computers. Us
workstation fanatics have more of a problem there, of course...
Why is the PSU a problem? I guess it's easier over here, where we have
240V and 30A ring-mains with 13A socket outlets (imagine if the standard
US circuit was 60A (if you're lucky, _per room_!) and had 26A sockets),
but finding somewhere to plug another machine in is not a big problem.
--
-tony
ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk
The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill
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