Hello list. I signed up and did the confirmation but did not yet receive a join msg. I presume the moderator will have to approve this msg. My first exposure to computers was using an HP TSB system. I'm interested in at least trying to get this going in an emulator. I started a wiki page on my progress: http://rikers.org/wiki/FirstComputer Seems most folks used 2000A on a dual cpu 2100S setup with dial in terminals. Our setup was not like this. The computer room had a 3 terminals hooked up to an HP-2114 series machine. I'm not sure about which model, but the front panel looked just like what I see in online pictures like: http://d116.com/vcf/east/1.0/hp2114a.jpg There were 2 crt terminals that each had 5k of working space. I seem to recall that the card reader and teletype had 2k or 3k each. I'm not sure if that was bytes or words. Perhaps it could have been an hp-2114c running ACCESS 2000E? I saw a post about the manual being available: http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/htdig/cctech/2004-July/032447.html and the the E series system works: http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/htdig/cctech/2003-November/022100.html Can someone hook me up with the pieces I need? I'm currently running SIMH with the hpbasic (basic1.abs) image. There are things that are missing like "DIM A$[100]" does not work on that version. On our setup with the single 2114 box, we did not have to login. Everyone shared the same disk storage area. I don't recall anyone having a username at all. there were just the 4 (2 crt, tty, and card reader) terminals. I recall folks kept forgetting to clear the current program before typing in a new one and then getting a mix of two programs. I don't recall the commands, but it seems to me you could be on a crt and tell the system to read from the card reader, then run a stack of cards and the program would be loaded into your memory intead of just being run and output to the printer. I do recall that stored files that started with an "!" were hidden from listings. I think there were 2 disks. One that was removeable and one that was not. They were locked in the cabinet and never removed. On another topic, since BZFlag is now over 10 years old, Does that make it Vintage? ;-) Are all you SGI folks using it? I have an old Indy here (IP22, 8bit) which I've been meaning to get it running on, but I'm missing OS CDs, compilers and such. If anyone can help out, that would be nice. ;-) -- Tim Riker - http://rikers.org/ - TimR at Debian.org Embedded Linux Technologist BZFlag maintainer - http://BZFlag.org/ - for fun!