22 Oct
2011
22 Oct
'11
9:44 a.m.
I've bought a copy of LocoScript 4 (or so) to run on my PCW9512+.
However, I'd also like to get it running under the Joyce emulator on
my PC.
How might I read a PCW floppy into a PC disk image? It's a 3.5" 720 DD
disk. My PC does have a 3?" drive and runs Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu
11.10/64.
I possibly have an ancient copy of 22copy somewhere, but it runs under
DOS which at the mo' my PC is not configured to boot... :(
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22 Oct
22 Oct
12:15 p.m.
On 22/10/11 17:44, Liam Proven wrote:
How might I read a PCW floppy into a PC disk image?
It's a 3.5" 720 DD
disk. My PC does have a 3?" drive and runs Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu
11.10/64.
Are you sure about that? I was under the impression the PCW9512 used a
3-inch drive... EME-231 or something like that.
You probably won't be able to do this under Win7; it doesn't allow
low-level access to the disc controller. Similar story for Linux, unless
you feel like writing a driver (or patching the existing driver) to do so.
In my humble opinion you're probably best off using something along the
lines of a DiscFerret or Catweasel and then decoding it with cwfloppy,
cw2dmk or similar.
... Or you could boot off a DOS floppy which loads RAMDRIVE, then use
22Disk from the RAM drive. Save the image to a 1.4MB floppy, and job
done. I seem to recall FreeDOS having USB Mass Storage drivers available
-- if that's the case, you could even use a USB thumbdrive.
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12:26 p.m.
On 22 October 2011 20:15, Philip Pemberton <classiccmp at philpem.me.uk> wrote:
On 22/10/11 17:44, Liam Proven wrote:
The PCW8256 and 9512 have 3" drives. The 9512+ has a 3.5" drive.
How might I read a PCW floppy into a PC disk image? It's a 3.5" 720 DD
disk. My PC does have a 3?" drive and runs Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu
11.10/64.
Are you sure about that? I was under the impression the PCW9512 used a
3-inch drive... EME-231 or something like that. You probably won't be able to do this under Win7;
it doesn't allow low-level
access to the disc controller. Similar story for Linux, unless you feel like
writing a driver (or patching the existing driver) to do so.
Oy oy! That bad? 8?(
In my humble opinion you're probably best off
using something along the
lines of a DiscFerret or Catweasel and then decoding it with cwfloppy,
cw2dmk or similar.
I don't have the money for additional hardware to accomplish this, sadly.
... Or you could boot off a DOS floppy which loads
RAMDRIVE, then use 22Disk
from the RAM drive. Save the image to a 1.4MB floppy, and job done. I seem
to recall FreeDOS having USB Mass Storage drivers available -- if that's the
case, you could even use a USB thumbdrive.
Blimey. If DOS is the only way, then I can put DOS back on. I think it
has actually got a 32MB FAT16 partition with the DOS bit of Win98SE on
it, but it's no longer active - Win7 ate the bootsector.
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12:54 p.m.
On 22/10/11 17:44, Liam Proven wrote:
Isn;t that what the FDRAWCMD ioctl() is for under linux?
IS the PC floppy drive conencted to a controller on the processor bus
(e.g. it's got a 34 way ribbon cabvle goign to a connector on the
motherboard), or is it a USB deviec? I am told most (all?) of the latter
don't handle non-PC formats (or even non-1.44M formats) at all.
-tony
How might I read a PCW floppy into a PC disk
image? It's a 3.5" 720 DD
disk. My PC does have a 3=BD" drive and runs Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu
11.10/64.
Are you sure about that? I was under the impression the PCW9512 used a=20
3-inch drive... EME-231 or something like that.
You probably won't be able to do this under Win7; it doesn't allow=20
low-level access to the disc controller. Similar story for Linux, unless=20
you feel like writing a driver (or patching the existing driver) to do so.
2:39 p.m.
On 22 October 2011 20:54, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
My one is on a plain old floppy interface. Yes, I've read of the
problems with USB drives, too. I am hoping to try to install OS/2 on
an old Thinkpad laptop of mine at some point soon, and as it's a
floppyless machine and OS/2 CDs are not bootable (AFAICT), I'm going
to have to try to use a USB CD for that. I am not very confident it
will work.
Joyce itself read my LocoScript 4.11 disk fine. It ground worryingly
on the latter half of the tracks - from 39 up to 80, roughly - which
worried me, but then I discovered that the disk is only half full
anyway. The whole program seems to take up about 384K including a
whole load of templates and things.
So now I have it running, which was fun. I also couldn't find the
keyboard map online until I'd managed to extract my own from the
online help in the emulator - but you can't see that when it's
running, AFAICT.
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On 22/10/11 17:44, Liam Proven wrote:
Isn;t that what the FDRAWCMD ioctl() is for under linux?
IS the PC floppy drive conencted to a controller on the processor bus
(e.g. it's got a 34 way ribbon cabvle goign to a connector on the
motherboard), or is it a USB deviec? I am told most (all?) of the latter
don't handle non-PC formats (or even non-1.44M formats) at all. How might I read a PCW floppy into a PC disk
image? It's a 3.5" 720 DD
disk. My PC does have a 3=BD" drive and runs Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu
11.10/64.
Are you sure about that? I was under the impression the PCW9512 used a=20
3-inch drive... EME-231 or something like that.
You probably won't be able to do this under Win7; it doesn't allow=20
low-level access to the disc controller. Similar story for Linux, unless=20
you feel like writing a driver (or patching the existing driver) to do so. 
3:01 p.m.
On 22 Oct 2011 at 22:39, Liam Proven wrote:
My one is on a plain old floppy interface. Yes,
I've read of the
problems with USB drives, too. I am hoping to try to install OS/2 on
an old Thinkpad laptop of mine at some point soon, and as it's a
floppyless machine and OS/2 CDs are not bootable (AFAICT), I'm going
to have to try to use a USB CD for that. I am not very confident it
will work.
Actually, you may well (I haven't tried it yet) be able to read Joyce
floppies with a USB drive, if you're using double-sided formatted
media as they're pretty much vanilla 9x512 byte sector formatted.
If anyone cares, I can try it and get back to the list.
--Chuck
3:57 p.m.
On 10/22/2011 22:39, Liam Proven wrote:
My one is on a plain old floppy interface. Yes,
I've read of the
problems with USB drives, too. I am hoping to try to install OS/2 on
an old Thinkpad laptop of mine at some point soon, and as it's a
floppyless machine and OS/2 CDs are not bootable (AFAICT), I'm going
to have to try to use a USB CD for that. I am not very confident it
will work.
I use an oldish Dell laptop internal (ejectable) floppy drive that also
has a USB connector on it with my Sony Vaio. It can read everything i
have thrown at it, with the correct software of course..
Rog
24 Oct
24 Oct
3:47 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 08:15:47PM +0100, Philip Pemberton wrote:
On 22/10/11 17:44, Liam Proven wrote:
The 9512+ had a 3.5" drive.
How might I read a PCW floppy into a PC disk
image? It's a 3.5" 720 DD
disk. My PC does have a 3?" drive and runs Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu
11.10/64.
Are you sure about that? I was under the impression the PCW9512 used a
3-inch drive... EME-231 or something like that. You probably won't be able to do this under Win7;
it doesn't allow
low-level access to the disc controller. Similar story for Linux, unless
you feel like writing a driver (or patching the existing driver) to do so.
In Linux, you should be able to use dd to copy the disk to an image
file. There are then countless choices for extracting data from it.
Alternatively you could install MSDOS in some virtualisation thing (on
either Windows or Linux) and if that lets you access the floppy drive at
all it will let you access the raw device using 22DISK. If you want to
do it entirely for free, then Virtualbox and FreeDOS is the way to go.
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11:31 a.m.
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011, David Cantrell wrote:
Alternatively you could install MSDOS in some
virtualisation thing (on
either Windows or Linux) and if that lets you access the floppy drive at
all it will let you access the raw device using 22DISK. If you want to
do it entirely for free, then Virtualbox and FreeDOS is the way to go.
While USUALLY true, and presumable in a case such as this, there do exist
machines that have floppy drives that are running on their own drivers,
and can even be hardware incompatible, that let you access the floppy
drive, but ONLY OS access. Such machines may not let you access at all
below OS, or not let you have access to WRITE below OS access, or may have
what looks like Int13H access with major limitations, such as sector size,
etc.
3:18 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, David Cantrell <david at cantrell.org.uk>wrote:
Alternatively you could install MSDOS in some
virtualisation thing (on
either Windows or Linux) and if that lets you access the floppy drive at
all it will let you access the raw device using 22DISK. If you want to
do it entirely for free, then Virtualbox and FreeDOS is the way to go.
You'd be lucky to find a virtualisation setup that supports the required
level of I/O and DMA access to drive the FDC natively. It's much better to
stick to native tools on your OS of choice.
He's already got Windows 7 and my Windows utility and driver are free. They
can handle PC-compatible disks at least as well as Teledisk, so dumping a
PCW image shouldn't be a problem.
22 Oct
22 Oct
12:39 p.m.
On 10/22/2011 17:44, Liam Proven wrote:
I've bought a copy of LocoScript 4 (or so) to run
on my PCW9512+.
However, I'd also like to get it running under the Joyce emulator on
my PC.
Hi Liam..
If you use the Joyce emulator you should be able to read disks directly
and make an image of the disk that can be used in the emulator.
Start emulator F9 - F2 - Disc mangement - Add a disk image...
Roger
12:56 p.m.
On 22 October 2011 20:39, Roger Pugh <rogpugh at mac.com> wrote:
On 10/22/2011 17:44, Liam Proven wrote:
So I discovered direct from the author, but many thanks for the tip!
Imaging it now, in fact. *Crosses fingers*
Thanks again for the 'Strad! ;?)
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I've bought a copy of LocoScript 4 (or so) to run on my PCW9512+.
However, I'd also like to get it running under the Joyce emulator on
my PC.
Hi Liam..
If you use the Joyce emulator you should be able to read disks directly and
make an image of the disk that can be used in the emulator.
Start emulator F9 - F2 - Disc mangement - Add a disk image...
24 Oct
24 Oct
2:10 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
How might I read a PCW floppy into a PC disk image?
It's a 3.5" 720 DD
disk. My PC does have a 3?" drive and runs Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu
11.10/64.
My disk utility (http://simonowen.com/samdisk/) should be able to create an
image under Windows 7 x64.
Use: SAMdisk a: yourimage.dsk
and the output will be EDSK, which I believe is fine for Joyce.
Si
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