14 Jul
2004
14 Jul
'04
9 a.m.
I have my VAXstation 4000 VLC running to the ">>>" prompt and would
like to boot the hobbyist CD-ROM to install VMS on the hard drive but
I'm having trouble getting the CD-ROM to boot. If I type 'boot dka400'
at the prompt, the CD-ROM spins up and I get the text "-DKA400"
displayed on the console but then I get the ">>>" prompt again. Can
anyone tell me why that would happen? I'm using a NEC CDR-1910A SCSI
CD-ROM drive set to SCSI ID 4.
14 Jul
14 Jul
10:29 a.m.
I have my VAXstation 4000 VLC running to the
">>>" prompt and would
like to boot the hobbyist CD-ROM to install VMS on the hard drive but
I'm having trouble getting the CD-ROM to boot. If I type
'boot dka400'
at the prompt, the CD-ROM spins up and I get the text "-DKA400"
displayed on the console but then I get the ">>>" prompt again. Can
anyone tell me why that would happen? I'm using a NEC CDR-1910A SCSI
CD-ROM drive set to SCSI ID 4.
I'm assuming that you are using a VAX VMS CD and not an
Alpha one :-) (And that it's the OS one and not one of
the layered products ones ...)
Some of the later CDs (V6.1 onwards or so) allow
you to boot to OpenVMS rather than SA BACKUP:
So something like:
B/R5:10000000 DKA400:
may work. If you have another working VMS box
you can verify that the CD you have does indeed
have a [SYS1] root.
"B DKA400:" should have booted SA BACKUP, so
if it didn't are you sure that:
- you used the right CD (what part number and OS version is it)?
- that your CD actually is DKA400: (SHOW DEVICE should help here)
- that your CD supports 512-byte blocks and is configured to do so
(what CD is it)?
Antonio
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org
9:06 p.m.
David,
The joys of SCSI CDROMs and VAXes ;) Are you sure you really want to
know
:-o
I had the same thing with a VAXstation 4000/90 recently. The problem is
that in order to boot off a CDROM the VAX requires that the drive be set
in 512 bytes/sector mode. This will be configured by a jumper on the
drive itself. You may well find that the drive does not support this
mode, as most PC-compatible drives use 2K bytes/sector. Also, not all
SCSI cdrom drives are made equal - I have a Pioneer drive which supports
512 bytes/sector but still doesn't boot correctly.
In the case where it doesn't work I would suggest rather than messing
around trying drives you get yourself a Plextor UltraPlex 40x drive
(they can be picked up off ebay, I would say that a 32x drive would also
work but don't quote me on this) - this is the only type of drive that
has worked for me.
Persevere though - it is worth it - I recently got to the stage where
I'm into DECwindows and it is scary seeing it after nearly 12 years
since I saw it last.
Mark.
Mark Wickens
Rhodium Consulting Ltd
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini
Sent: 14 July 2004 23:29
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Booting a VAXstation 4000 VLC off the hobbyist boot CD-ROM
I have my VAXstation 4000 VLC running to the
">>>" prompt and would
like to boot the hobbyist CD-ROM to install VMS on the hard drive but
I'm having trouble getting the CD-ROM to boot. If I type
'boot dka400'
at the prompt, the CD-ROM spins up and I get the text "-DKA400"
displayed on the console but then I get the ">>>" prompt again. Can
anyone tell me why that would happen? I'm using a NEC CDR-1910A SCSI
CD-ROM drive set to SCSI ID 4.
I'm assuming that you are using a VAX VMS CD and not an
Alpha one :-) (And that it's the OS one and not one of
the layered products ones ...)
Some of the later CDs (V6.1 onwards or so) allow
you to boot to OpenVMS rather than SA BACKUP:
So something like:
B/R5:10000000 DKA400:
may work. If you have another working VMS box
you can verify that the CD you have does indeed
have a [SYS1] root.
"B DKA400:" should have booted SA BACKUP, so
if it didn't are you sure that:
- you used the right CD (what part number and OS version is it)?
- that your CD actually is DKA400: (SHOW DEVICE should help here)
- that your CD supports 512-byte blocks and is configured to do so
(what CD is it)?
Antonio
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org
15 Jul
15 Jul
4:17 a.m.
I borrowed a Plextor drive model PX-45CS and it boots standalone backup
and presents me with a '$' prompt. If I type the restore command:
$ backup/image dka400:vms072.b/save dka0:
I get the following message and nothing else:
%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline. Mount verification in
progress.
Does anyone have any idea how to get past this?
Thanks,
David
On Jul 15, 2004, at 5:06 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
David,
The joys of SCSI CDROMs and VAXes ;) Are you sure you really want to
know
:-o
I had the same thing with a VAXstation 4000/90 recently. The problem is
that in order to boot off a CDROM the VAX requires that the drive be
set
in 512 bytes/sector mode. This will be configured by a jumper on the
drive itself. You may well find that the drive does not support this
mode, as most PC-compatible drives use 2K bytes/sector. Also, not all
SCSI cdrom drives are made equal - I have a Pioneer drive which
supports
512 bytes/sector but still doesn't boot correctly.
In the case where it doesn't work I would suggest rather than messing
around trying drives you get yourself a Plextor UltraPlex 40x drive
(they can be picked up off ebay, I would say that a 32x drive would
also
work but don't quote me on this) - this is the only type of drive that
has worked for me.
Persevere though - it is worth it - I recently got to the stage where
I'm into DECwindows and it is scary seeing it after nearly 12 years
since I saw it last.
Mark.
Mark Wickens
Rhodium Consulting Ltd
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini
Sent: 14 July 2004 23:29
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Booting a VAXstation 4000 VLC off the hobbyist boot CD-ROM
I have my VAXstation 4000 VLC running to the
">>>" prompt and would
like to boot the hobbyist CD-ROM to install VMS on the hard drive but
I'm having trouble getting the CD-ROM to boot. If I type
'boot dka400'
at the prompt, the CD-ROM spins up and I get the text "-DKA400"
displayed on the console but then I get the ">>>" prompt again. Can
anyone tell me why that would happen? I'm using a NEC CDR-1910A SCSI
CD-ROM drive set to SCSI ID 4.
I'm assuming that you are using a VAX VMS CD and not an
Alpha one :-) (And that it's the OS one and not one of
the layered products ones ...)
Some of the later CDs (V6.1 onwards or so) allow
you to boot to OpenVMS rather than SA BACKUP:
So something like:
B/R5:10000000 DKA400:
may work. If you have another working VMS box
you can verify that the CD you have does indeed
have a [SYS1] root.
"B DKA400:" should have booted SA BACKUP, so
if it didn't are you sure that:
- you used the right CD (what part number and OS version is it)?
- that your CD actually is DKA400: (SHOW DEVICE should help here)
- that your CD supports 512-byte blocks and is configured to do so
(what CD is it)?
Antonio
--
---------------
Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org
5:03 a.m.
I borrowed a Plextor drive model PX-45CS and it boots
standalone backup
and presents me with a '$' prompt. If I type the restore command:
$ backup/image dka400:vms072.b/save dka0:
I get the following message and nothing else:
%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline. Mount verification in
progress.
Does anyone have any idea how to get past this?
That command would be fine if DKA400: were a disk (or rather,
if it were MKA400:) but for a disk saveset you need to specify
the directory don't you:
$ backup/image dka400:[000000]vms072.b/save dka0: /VERIFY
I'm not sure that [000000] is right; I am sure, however,
that omission of /VERIFY was just a careless oversight
when copying the command :-)
If you can now boot, try booting OpenVMS off
the CD. This started to work with (IIRC) OpenVMS
VAX V6.1 and is now quite possibly supported:
B/R5:10000000 DKA400:
(that's 1 followed by 7 zeroes).
Apart from anything else, this will exercise
your system considerably more than just booting
SABACKUP.
It's possible that the drivers just don't like
your CDROM (although they seem to like it
more than your previous one).
If this still does not work, do you have access
to a genuine RRD4x or even a SONY CDU-??? (many
of the RRD4x drives were SONY CDUs of one sort
or another - after a while DEC stopped *paying extra*
to have the headphone socket torn out!!)
Antonio
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org
5:07 a.m.
$ backup/image dka400:[000000]vms072.b/save dka0:
/VERIFY
I'm not sure that [000000] is right; I am sure, however,
[000000] would be correct to have in there
Loading VMS 7.3 onto my VAXstation 4000/60 looks like this:
$ backup dka500:[000000]vms073.b/save_set dka0: /VERIFY
--
Ryan Blair
5:39 a.m.
Thanks for your suggestions!
On Jul 15, 2004, at 1:03 PM, Antonio Carlini wrote:
B/R5:10000000 DKA400:
(that's 1 followed by 7 zeroes).
I tried this and ultimately got the same "DKA400: is offline" message.
I guess it doesn't like this CD-ROM drive either. This is the last one
I have to try. Maybe I can find someone with one at VCF East tomorrow.
For what it's worth, here is the complete transcript of my attempt to
boot VMS from the hobbyist CD-ROM:
KA48-A V1.3-343-V4.0
08-00-2B-33-EE-74
24MB
OK
>> show dev
VMS/VMB ADDR DEVTYPE NUMBYTES RM/FX WP DEVNAM
REV
------- ---- ------- -------- ----- -- ------
---
ESA0 08-00-2B-33-EE-74
DKA0 A/0/0 DISK 526.10MB FX LPS525S
3110
DKA400 A/4/0 RODISK 681.57MB RM WP CD-ROM
1.01
..HostID.. A/6 INITR
>> show config
KA48-A V1.3-343-V4.0
08-00-2B-33-EE-74
24MB
DEVNBR DEVNAM INFO
------ -------- --------------------------
1 NVR OK
2 LCG OK
HR - 8 PLN FB - V1.2
3 DZ OK
4 CACHE OK
5 MEM OK
24MB = S0/1=8MB, S2/3=8MB, S4/5=8MB
6 FPU OK
7 IT OK
8 SYS OK
9 NI OK
10 SCSI OK
0-LPS525S 4-CD-ROM 6-INITR
11 AUD OK
>> b/r5:10000000 dka400:
-DKA400
%SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk
%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk
%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System Disk
OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X72T Major version id = 1 Minor version id
= 0
%SYSINIT-E, %SYSINIT, error opening system dump file, status = 00000910
%SYSINIT, primary PAGEFILE.SYS not found; system initialization
continuing
%SYSINIT, no dump file - error log buffers not saved
%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, DKA400: is offline. Mount verification in progress.
16 Jul
16 Jul
12:47 a.m.
I thought you had an apple 300 drive. These are on the list of dec
working drives.
Dan
noon
Yes, you're right that it is on the list of working drives.
Unfortunately, mine doesn't work with my 4000 VLC. I'm not sure if it
is a problem with the drive or my VAX.
On Jul 16, 2004, at 8:47 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
I thought you had an apple 300 drive. These are on the
list of dec
working drives.
Dan
15 Jul
15 Jul
10:23 p.m.
David,
Yes, I got this with the Pioneer drive - I'm presuming it just hangs
after the 'Verification in progress' text. This is because your drive is
simply not compatible with the VAX. Refer to my previous email.
Check the following URL:
http://sites.inka.de/pcde/help/dec-cdrom-list.txt
For a list of successes.
Regards,
Mark.
p.s. the drive will work file for normal file accesses - it is just
installation that is a problem (I now have 3 scsi drives!!)
Mark Wickens
Rhodium Consulting Ltd
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David Betz
Sent: 15 July 2004 17:18
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Booting a VAXstation 4000 VLC off the hobbyist boot CD-ROM
I borrowed a Plextor drive model PX-45CS and it boots standalone backup
and presents me with a '$' prompt. If I type the restore command:
$ backup/image dka400:vms072.b/save dka0:
I get the following message and nothing else:
%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline. Mount verification in
progress.
Does anyone have any idea how to get past this?
Thanks,
David
On Jul 15, 2004, at 5:06 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
David,
The joys of SCSI CDROMs and VAXes ;) Are you sure you really want to
know
:-o
I had the same thing with a VAXstation 4000/90 recently. The problem
is
that in order to boot off a CDROM the VAX requires
that the drive be
set
in 512 bytes/sector mode. This will be configured by a jumper on the
drive itself. You may well find that the drive does not support this
mode, as most PC-compatible drives use 2K bytes/sector. Also, not all
SCSI cdrom drives are made equal - I have a Pioneer drive which
supports
512 bytes/sector but still doesn't boot correctly.
In the case where it doesn't work I would suggest rather than messing
around trying drives you get yourself a Plextor UltraPlex 40x drive
(they can be picked up off ebay, I would say that a 32x drive would
also
work but don't quote me on this) - this is the only type of drive that
has worked for me.
Persevere though - it is worth it - I recently got to the stage where
I'm into DECwindows and it is scary seeing it after nearly 12 years
since I saw it last.
Mark.
Mark Wickens
Rhodium Consulting Ltd
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini
Sent: 14 July 2004 23:29
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Booting a VAXstation 4000 VLC off the hobbyist boot
CD-ROM
I have my VAXstation 4000 VLC running to the
">>>" prompt and would
like to boot the hobbyist CD-ROM to install VMS on the hard drive but
I'm having trouble getting the CD-ROM to boot. If I type
'boot dka400'
at the prompt, the CD-ROM spins up and I get the text "-DKA400"
displayed on the console but then I get the ">>>" prompt again. Can
anyone tell me why that would happen? I'm using a NEC CDR-1910A SCSI
CD-ROM drive set to SCSI ID 4.
I'm assuming that you are using a VAX VMS CD and not an
Alpha one :-) (And that it's the OS one and not one of
the layered products ones ...)
Some of the later CDs (V6.1 onwards or so) allow
you to boot to OpenVMS rather than SA BACKUP:
So something like:
B/R5:10000000 DKA400:
may work. If you have another working VMS box
you can verify that the CD you have does indeed
have a [SYS1] root.
"B DKA400:" should have booted SA BACKUP, so
if it didn't are you sure that:
- you used the right CD (what part number and OS version is it)?
- that your CD actually is DKA400: (SHOW DEVICE should help here)
- that your CD supports 512-byte blocks and is configured to do so
(what CD is it)?
Antonio
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org
14 Jul
14 Jul
9:51 p.m.
Is that a CDRW model? If so, try to use a more down-to-earth CDROM and
not too fast.. any 2X/4X would work. Make sure it supports 512 byte
sectors too.
/wai-sun
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